Reply to: George Best

[Dundeegeorge]

Mardi gras? possibly

or foie gras?

[Phoenix]

I agree, I would have put the liver to much better use:

At least you wouldn't have to marionate it in beer.....

[wendigo100]

Mmmm.... 1966

[mcquiggd]

Bejusus...

"I admired him for his talent on the football pitch"


Oh for fecks seck, he didnt cure cancer, he didnt work to ease the suffering of those who caught Leprosy or Ebola - he kicked a ball in the back of a net with a bloke standing in front of it, yet he has received more attention then many thousands of people who have shown real sacrifice, dedication, and talent. Its just that nobody could make money out of them, as they can by selling papers etc with stories about another over hyped non-celeb like Best.

I honestly wish he wouldnt die, and that he would beat his addiction to alcohol. But I also sincerely wish the hero worship would stop for someone who is clearly not worthy of such attention. Its like slavering over '1966'.

Mother Theresa... a lifetime of self-sacrifice to help others. Her demise was completely overshadowed by the death of someone more 'media friendly'.

Diana Incorporated was praised as if she travelled the world disarming mines herself. Nobody mentioned the many people who lost limbs or their lives actually performing the work.

Maybe Best was ahead of his time - the definitive empty shell that is hero worshipped by the stupid. Tabloids exist due to this.

[John Galt]

I admired his footballing genius, he seemed modest, objective in his assessment of the game and therefore likeable (but really I could only judge him on his football).

I bet you are the type who admires Gary Lineker?

Actually, strange as it may seems I can't stand football these days. The game itself is ok but everything that surrounds it i.e. the fanaticism, the hooliganism etc. negates any enjoyment I may get from watching a game. Would rather watch rugger any day of the week

[lORD lUCAN]

fecking hope he pops it by the time i get home,
might see some old footage!

[Dundeegeorge]

I don't admire his heavy drinking

I admired his incredible talent on a football pitch, and I believe he was as entitled as anyone else to have a chance at life, by which I mean a liver transplant.
Sanctimonious prattle about some people being more worthy than others is just that.

[wendigo100]

Oh right, that's OK then.
I'll tell you what, don't those disabled people get on your tits, crowding up the place with their wheelchairs. And all those sick people, if we just let them all die we wouldn't need hospitals, think how much money we could save.

The difference is that not many people would share a view like that.

I don't hate Best, honestly, but my childhood was adversely affected by the heavy drinking of others. I don't admire anyone for doing it.

[DodgyAgent]

But that's the whole point isn't it? His talent did give him opportunities and wealth and status - good on him - so it makes you wonder what sort of man he was that made him destroy himself despite all the opportunities. I really don't think he can be held up as someone to be admired.

I admired his footballing genius, he seemed modest, objective in his assessment of the game and therefore likeable (but really I could only judge him on his football).

I bet you are the type who admires Gary Lineker?

[PerlOfWisdom]

There is a shortage of organs therefore priority should be given to those who need a replacement through no fault of their own and who are not going to do their level bes to destroy it once installed

I read somewhere that there isn't a shortage of livers for transplant.

[John Galt]

Fair enough, but if we all look at the number of times that we have made fools of ourselves, and relate them to the number of opportunities that have in turn presented themselves (few to members of this board I fancy) then he is probably no better or no worse than the rest of us. Now I ask if any of you were presented with the number of opportunities that he must have had would have turned them down. As for the liver, I will accept that it should have gone to a more deserving person.
I am not defending his lifestyle, I am simply saying that it is not for me to criticise lest I be guilty of hypocrisy.

But that's the whole point isn't it? His talent did give him opportunities and wealth and status - good on him - so it makes you wonder what sort of man he was that made him destroy himself despite all the opportunities. I really don't think he can be held up as someone to be admired.

[Dundeegeorge]

Now then

There is a shortage of organs therefore priority should be given to those who need a replacement through no fault of their own and who are not going to do their level bes to destroy it once installed

Why should that be so?
Why should someone be given an organ just because it's not their fault they need one? I believe I could quite reasonably claim that George Best was a victim of alcoholism and clearly it's not really his fault he needs the replacement.

[DodgyAgent]

You reap what you sow

As for the liver, I will accept that it should have gone to a more deserving person.

More deserving? WTF does that mean?

There is a shortage of organs therefore priority should be given to those who need a replacement through no fault of their own and who are not going to do their level bes to destroy it once installed

[Dundeegeorge]

Hang on

Fair enough, but if we all look at the number of times that we have made fools of ourselves, and relate them to the number of opportunities that have in turn presented themselves (few to members of this board I fancy) then he is probably no better or no worse than the rest of us. Now I ask if any of you were presented with the number of opportunities that he must have had would have turned them down. As for the liver, I will accept that it should have gone to a more deserving person.
I am not defending his lifestyle, I am simply saying that it is not for me to criticise lest I be guilty of hypocrisy.

As for the liver, I will accept that it should have gone to a more deserving person.

More deserving? WTF does that mean?

[DodgyAgent]

DA - I wonder how interested you would be in this man if he were drinking himself to death and making a fool of himself with younger and younger women if he weren't a famous footballer? Certainly applaud him for his talent and his attitude to life but don't try to defend his lifestyle - he has been on a path of self destruction for years and I really cannot understand the interest in slowly watching someone kill themselves, famous or not.

Fair enough, but if we all look at the number of times that we have made fools of ourselves, and relate them to the number of opportunities that have in turn presented themselves (few to members of this board I fancy) then he is probably no better or no worse than the rest of us. Now I ask if any of you were presented with the number of opportunities that he must have had would have turned them down. As for the liver, I will accept that it should have gone to a more deserving person.
I am not defending his lifestyle, I am simply saying that it is not for me to criticise lest I be guilty of hypocrisy.