Blinkin' socialist scroungers

[Peoplesoft bloke]

We all have anecdotes about the NHS good and bad. But just because something is getting better it does not mean it is any good. .

Indeed - I've heard that argument deployed often about rubbish software or websites - "you should see what it used to be like" - I don't care, I want it to be some use now.

Whatever you say about private banks they are run primarily for the benefit of their customers. If someone in a private bank is not up to the job then they are fired.
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Bollocks - they are run for the benefit of shareholders as has already been pointed out. It's also bollocks that the inept are always fired, they are often promoted!

The NHS just like a private bank and just like Tescos provides services to customers.

Tescos is about shareholder value, nothing else. I stopped shopping at the local one when I found I couldn't rely on them to have even simple staples like bread and cereals on the shelves every time I went in. Clearly their priority wasn't selling me food.

The health service seems to be largely run for the benefit of the workers in it and whilst it delivers some excellent services, they are often provided in a manner that appears to have been calculated to cause the minimum of satisfaction.

The debate that no one appears to want to enter in to is how to introduce the positive dynamics of capitalism (responsibility, accountability and market forces) to a service that is a little bit more complicated and critical than the provision of food and money.

Happy to debate that, but on the evidence of banks and Tesco, I don't see much that is going to improve the NHS - certainly the relentless pursuit of short term shareholder gain isn't.

[TiroFijo]

Whatever you say about private banks they are run primarily for the benefit of their customers.

Actually they are run for the benefit of their shareholders!

[gingerjedi]

You'd have to make sure you didn't hit a bone in the first one, otherwise you might only wound the second one behind...

Would it be a mortal wound, one that causes a longer lingering death?

[DodgyAgent]

The NHS is a service not a private bank, I know people who usually have little experience of the NHS love to knock it but I’ve certainly had far more than my monies worth over the years.

IMHO the NHS is much better than it used to be ten years ago... cue story about old lady on left to die on a trolley...

We all have anecdotes about the NHS good and bad. But just because something is getting better it does not mean it is any good. Whatever you say about private banks they are run primarily for the benefit of their customers. If someone in a private bank is not up to the job then they are fired.

The NHS just like a private bank and just like Tescos provides services to customers.

The debate that no one appears to want to enter in to is how to introduce the positive dynamics of capitalism (responsibility, accountability and market forces) to a service that is a little bit more complicated and critical than the provision of food and money.

[Moscow Mule]

I'd make one stand behind the other, simples.

You'd have to make sure you didn't hit a bone in the first one, otherwise you might only wound the second one behind...

[gingerjedi]

You have an ally

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...rs-belief.html

If you pressed a rifle into the hand of the man in the street and asked him to choose between two targets – an MP or a banker – who do you think would get the bullet? Tricky, eh? It is hard to know which of these two formerly respectable professions has fallen further in public esteem.

I'd make one stand behind the other, simples.

[gingerjedi]

Have they taken or borrowed the money. The NHS takes billions and doesn't
need to pay it back. I am sure that I have read somewhere that some of the
Banks have paid back the money.

The NHS is a service not a private bank, I know people who usually have little experience of the NHS love to knock it but I’ve certainly had far more than my monies worth over the years.

IMHO the NHS is much better than it used to be ten years ago... cue story about old lady on left to die on a trolley...

[DodgyAgent]

They have taken billions in our taxes in return for naff all. They expect to get money off us for doing sod all. Time to put a stop to it.










Fire all the useless bankers.

You have an ally

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...rs-belief.html

[Brussels Slumdog]

Taken or Borrowed

They (the banks) have taken billions in our taxes to bail them out in return for naff all. They expect and got money off us for squandering our money while getting big fat bonuses. Time to put a stop to it.

Sorry, just playing devil's advocate...

Have they taken or borrowed the money. The NHS takes billions and doesn't
need to pay it back. I am sure that I have read somewhere that some of the
Banks have paid back the money.

[Moscow Mule]

I'm informed by a friend at RBS that bonuses are staggered over three years now. The headline figures are simply provision for the next three years.

[VectraMan]

Blinking buddist scroungers

They've taken nothing from us in return for naff all. They expect nothing from us and all they do is sit around meditating and being at peace with the universe.

Time to put a stop to it.

[TiroFijo]

Blinkin capatalist scroungers

They (the banks) have taken billions in our taxes to bail them out in return for naff all. They expect and got money off us for squandering our money while getting big fat bonuses. Time to put a stop to it.

Sorry, just playing devil's advocate...

[Peoplesoft bloke]

They have taken billions in our taxes in return for naff all. They expect to get money off us for doing sod all. Time to put a stop to it.










Fire all the useless bankers.