PMSL, Dodgy Agent once more arguing against his own kind.... (and then celebrating when he goes one better)...
Sigh... thats one of the reasons why IT is being outsourced from here .... there has never been a shortage of talent in the UK, just a lack of where that talent lies, and instead, whe have a concentration on politics. One only has to look at ... off the top of my head... the likes of Barnes Wallis, Frank Whittle and the TSR2 programme...
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Originally posted by DodgyAgentWhat I dont understand is why on earth we need to go to India for IT people when there are thousands of French, German, Hungarian, Polish etc IT workers on our own doorsteps, who speak better English, are legally entitled to work here are closer to our door, and are culturally closer to our own society.
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Originally posted by Not So WiseThis whole skill shortage this is crap, the truth is there is a cheap skilled worker shortage
Ann Swain has a reputation for talking rubbish.
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Skill shortages continue to be a major pull factor in bringing foreign IT workers to the UK
Cheap skilled labour continues to be the major pull factor in bringing foreign IT workers to the UK
Basicilly they are doing what the american companies are doing by abusing the H1B visa system, advertise a job with a stupid skills vs wage ratio say they were unable to find someone then import them from a 3rd world country on the cheap.
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Originally posted by datestampYes, but just a one way flow of money - into Indian pockets.
This whole IT skills crisis is being blown out of all proportion by companies like EDS, CapGemini, CMG, Xansa who are using India simply as a cheap source of labour. Because they cannot deliver from thousands of miles away they are importing the Indians here.
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Originally posted by Hart-flootAnn Swain, ATSCo's chief executive, said: "The transfer of jobs between the UK and India is now very much two-way traffic ... while low-skilled IT jobs continue to be shipped to India, highly skilled India IT professionals are coming to the UK to take up managerial roles.
...muppet!!
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Onshore Offshoring
'Onshore offshoring' arrives to fill gaps among IT specialists
Mark Milner
Monday November 21, 2005
The Guardian
British companies are looking abroad to attract information technology specialists to plug skills gaps at home - with India a top destination for industry head-hunters.
About 22,000 IT workers were granted visas to work in Britain over the last year, according to the Association of Technology staffing companies (ATSCo), with 85% coming from India compared with 5% from the US, which came in second place.
ATSCo said its findings, based on Home Office figures, are the first evidence that multinationals recruiting workers in low-cost economies and transferring them to high-cost ones - a phenomenon known as "onshore offshoring" in the US - may have become widespread in Britain.
Ann Swain, ATSCo's chief executive, said: "The transfer of jobs between the UK and India is now very much two-way traffic ... while low-skilled IT jobs continue to be shipped to India, highly skilled India IT professionals are coming to the UK to take up managerial roles.
"Skill shortages continue to be a major pull factor in bringing foreign IT workers to the UK but the concern is that some organisations may be taking advantage of the visa system to import cheap labour."
Ms Swain warned it would be dangerous for companies to become reliant on recruiting from overseas. "There is still plenty of IT talent in the UK currently under-utilised. If British IT professionals don't have the right skills, organisations need to look at their investment in training, rather than relying on overseas skills."Tags: None
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