Reply to: Bob Crowe is such a *expletive deleted*

[Addanc]

He's doing what he's paid to do, representing the interests of the members of his union.

Hopefully this will result in the tube-trains becoming fully automated.

[sweetandsour]

You'd probably have to pay them enough to retire straight away on their current benefits.

They already get two months paid holiday a year so it wouldn't be such a huge leap to pay them for doing nothing.

Here is an article. It's an old one but I don't expect conditions to have worsened in that time.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2002...slaves.careers

[sasguru]

Nonsense, just ship in a load of Poles to replace them. At least the trains in Poland are cheap and run on time too.

Plus if something goes wrong with the train or network, the Polish drivers could just nip out and fix the problem.

[shaunbhoy]

You'd probably have to pay them enough to retire straight away on their current benefits.

Nonsense, just ship in a load of Poles to replace them. At least the trains in Poland are cheap and run on time too.

[AtW]

It will be necessary to pay-off the current drivers well otherwise they will cause chaos as soon as they got wind of what was going on. I can't see any way around that.

You'd probably have to pay them enough to retire straight away on their current benefits.

[sweetandsour]

The unions won't stand for it...

It will be necessary to pay-off the current drivers well otherwise they will cause chaos as soon as they got wind of what was going on. I can't see any way around that.

I can't say that I would shed any tears for the union.

[AtW]

I can't see any reason why the other trains can't work like that.

The unions won't stand for it...

[sweetandsour]

Personally I'd just automate the trains.

The Docklands Light Railway trains don't have drivers and they work OK (apart from when the signals stop working and the passenger service agent has to manually override the controls to make the train limp along at 5mph).

I can't see any reason why the other trains can't work like that.

According to the Office of Rail Regulation there were 62 incidents of human drivers not stopping their trains when they were supposed to (Signals Passed At Danger -SPADs) in the second quarter of 2009, http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pdf/spad_q2_2009.pdf

The sooner that these things are controlled by machines the better I say.

[shaunbhoy]

He's doing what he's paid to do

Yes, maybe so, but he is showing very poor judgment in choosing the strike option, and will succeed in very little but further alienating the public. His approach is completely anachronistic as the "militant union approach" curled up its toes in the 80s. No doubt HE personally will be alright in much the same way as Scargill was, but he is doing little to further the cause of his members. Still, if they were stupid enough to have a cretin like him representing him many might agree they will get what they deserve. Blimey, even sg has grasped this!!

[sasguru]

I don't know what the issues are and frankly, I don't care. The union members obviously have a greivance and Bob his doing his job.

With regards to being sensitive, I'm sure there's a cream you can get from the chemist for that particular little problem.

a minority of militant union members.

That much is clear because every time there's a strike, there's alwasy some lines that stay open as tube workers refuse to strike.

[sasguru]

Bob Crow is "representing" his members as Scargill "represented" the miners.

HTH

[AtW]

Bob is paid to represent the interests of his unions members, not the travelling public.

I do not dispute that.

AtW, please read my posts regarding the SS again. It was their job to represent the interests of the upper echelons of the nazis, at no time did I say that the upper echelons were "in the SS".

The SS were there to fight for the interests of the NSDAP, which was representing interests of the public who voted for it (majority in the 30s).

Since all upper echelons were members of NSDAP (like the communist party in the USSR) one could argue that the SS were indeed representing upper echelons.

[Churchill]

Hey, I'm a sensitive guy .

I would suggest that his members are well treated and to insist that they are not leads to a bad public impression of him and them, which will ultimately lead to the loss of his members livelihoods.

I don't know what the issues are and frankly, I don't care. The union members obviously have a greivance and Bob his doing his job.

With regards to being sensitive, I'm sure there's a cream you can get from the chemist for that particular little problem.

[Moscow Mule]

Why do you insist on bringing emotion in to this? All I have said is that he is doing his job as a representative of the union.

Hey, I'm a sensitive guy .

I would suggest that his members are well treated and to insist that they are not leads to a bad public impression of him and them, which will ultimately lead to the loss of his members livelihoods.

[Churchill]

Bob is paid to represent the interests of his unions members, not the travelling public.

AtW, please read my posts regarding the SS again. It was their job to represent the interests of the upper echelons of the nazis, at no time did I say that the upper echelons were "in the SS".