oh dear : us government supports torturing prisoners

[AtW]

No need to go any further AtW. Some people agree it does; others like myself do not agree with it.

Its not a question of agreement or disagreement but reality - actual practice.

IF safety of millions of people at stake then its fine to apply torture so long as all such instances are publicised and if it is proven that person was innocent then he/she gets major comprensation to get him set for life and people who made wrong decision get taste of their own medicine - get tortured themselves just like the innocent person was. This makes the system pretty balanced.

[BobTheCrate]

t'was "The Witchfinder General".

VP played a sicko sadistic witch hunter who was really only after an excuse to do what he loved doing, burning people alive.

The end justifies the means

No need to go any further AtW. Some people agree it does; others like myself do not agree with it.

[Churchill]

And what was that Vincent Price film? Well said AtW, torture was invented in the name of religion

Dr Phibes?

[Churchill]

america is the symbol of the free world and preaching the values of freedom by :

- establishing concentration camps (there are no other words) in various parts of the world, including eastern europe. Some of those camps are even secret.
this is "nacht und nebel", yankee style

- negating all international conventions, including geneva, Haghe, UN charter eg

- supporting the torture pf prisoners (see article from the economist). Bush will apparently veto any bill prohibiting US soldiers from using torture. against prisoners

Do as I say, not as I do...

[sappatz]

america is the symbol of the free world and preaching the values of freedom by :

- establishing concentration camps (there are no other words) in various parts of the world, including eastern europe. Some of those camps are even secret.
this is "nacht und nebel", yankee style

- negating all international conventions, including geneva, Haghe, UN charter eg

- supporting the torture pf prisoners (see article from the economist). Bush will apparently veto any bill prohibiting US soldiers from using torture. against prisoners

[Not So Wise]

I do think that thsi article does tend to imply that America shoudl be the the guardian of virtue in the modern world.

Because America likes to pretend it is the most virtuous of them all and that other countrys should look up to them for it.

It's like politicians or priests, now i for one could not give a damn if joe blog MP is cheating on his wife with 3 other women and 2 men, unless he is one of these who rant on about family values and against indescriminate sexuality and gays while painting a picture that his home life is perfect harmony and bliss, then i take a particular joy in seeing him fall.

America either needs to practice what it preaches or stop preaching

[AtW]

It appears that most countries in the world will resort to torture if no other means of obtaining the information sought is available.

The end justify the means, if a suspect was caught in London with traces of radioactive materials and some other hints suggesting that nuclear attack is imminent then I would not be suprised the guy to be tortured in order to obtain information.

But - its the END that justifies the means, not the process -- where is vital evidence from ANYBODY in X-Ray camp? And others tortured in secret prisons? There is none - otherwise there would have been big busts and Osama would have been here. This sort of stuff certainly does not work en masse and only counter productive. And this is exactly the issue - torture without results to justify it reflects badly on those who use it, for good.

[sunnysan]

American Torture

I do think that thsi article does tend to imply that America shoudl be the the guardian of virtue in the modern world.

It appears that most countries in the world will resort to torture if no other means of obtaining the information sought is available.

If the yardstick is the scale and number of interrogation atrocities, I would imagine that America would be quite far down the list as biggest culprit.

Hypocrites and liars the Bush administration may be, but I would imagine that they commit the best publicised human rights abuses, not the worst.

[DodgyAgent]

Torture was never against Church's believes, see Inquisition.

And what was that Vincent Price film? Well said AtW, torture was invented in the name of religion

[AtW]

Torture was never against Church's believes, see Inquisition.

[sasguru]

what do you expect when you have a thicko "christian" in the white house?

[sappatz]

http://www.economist.com/opinion/dis...ory_id=5139141