Reply to: IT can be so cruel

[craig_m67]

three beers.. minimum, so true.

There is a very fine line between standing your ground and being too frank. I'm an aussie so they gave me a wider line than normal, but even i was suprised at how lound they barked and how soft they were if you didn't pay homage to their class.

[Jeebo72]

Im in the city right now and it's par for the course. Fight your cause always. Always stand up for what you believe is right and yourself, but always be professional. Then have 3 (min) beers at lunch and sit back and enjoy the afternoon.

[RichardCranium]

I am doing this gig to get experience of London Markets

Ooooohhh. You're working in the City in banking / investments / money business. That explains everything.

My nine months in an asset management outfit were so bad only people who have worked in the City actually believe some of the abuse, incredible decision-making, insane management and spectacular incompetence that went on.

SuitYou, you are working with a bunch of inhuman, vicious and complete and utter cnuts. Remember that at all times. It's not you; it's them.

[suityou01]

Actually, he's not. You just have to get past the point where you feel sick every day and get on with it. It takes time, but you have to do it and every day is better.
What did I do? Got fed up with feeling sick and started thinking 'Hey - what is the worst that can happen if I stick to my guns?'. I guess you have to think that you are being paid for your advice and if they didn't want that, well, their mistake then. it doesn't mean you have to get abusive or rude btw - just keep plugging away.

I am on this learning curve right now and it has given me much needed self confidence. I would thank you again Zips, but people may talk.

[Zippy]

Actually, I was suggesting you were talking crap.

Actually, he's not. You just have to get past the point where you feel sick every day and get on with it. It takes time, but you have to do it and every day is better.
What did I do? Got fed up with feeling sick and started thinking 'Hey - what is the worst that can happen if I stick to my guns?'. I guess you have to think that you are being paid for your advice and if they didn't want that, well, their mistake then. it doesn't mean you have to get abusive or rude btw - just keep plugging away.

[minestrone]

Good point. I think it is the environment I work in. They do it, so you do it. Praps I just need some sleep/Kronenbourg.

Actually, I was suggesting you were talking crap.

[suityou01]

Just get your timesheet signed and stop GAF. Oh, and have that Kronenbourg. You've deserved it!

Normally would do the whole Miaow miaow thing, but no. You have done well young Swamp.

[swamp]

Just get your timesheet signed and stop GAF. Oh, and have that Kronenbourg. You've deserved it!

[suityou01]

I find it hard to believe people in your place are micro managing segments of 2 hours work and making judgements upon yourself on that.

Good point. I think it is the environment I work in. They do it, so you do it. Praps I just need some sleep/Kronenbourg.

[minestrone]

I find it hard to believe people in your place are micro managing segments of 2 hours work and making judgements upon yourself on that.

[suityou01]

Just reply "that was with a budget of $8 billion in 1963.
I can do the same. How would you like to pay?"

I know ALL CUKers reading this made a mental note

They don't do estimates where I work. I need this NOW. Where is it (15 minutes later).

I am doing this gig to get experience of London Markets so cannot complain. However I always seem to manage.

I just felt like a twunt. Perhaps it was the kicking I got in technical (DP you know what I mean )

It's hard, I was hired to do X, and am now doing X with Y and Z which I don't know so well, yet they judge me on the previous guy who could deliver XYZ in no time. It's how you profile a job I guess. I know for a fact that the previous guy had no NUnit (agile) testing and development experience or workflow, yet these skills have yet to be used so I have yet to shine. Hactually I am an extremely good BPM guy, but am left with c# coding and times have moved on since I last coded. I passed the technical test and interview with flying colours and though the interview process was extremely thorough. Perhaps I am being too hard on myself? WPF absolutely blows goats DP btw.

The PM is a BA who was hired as a BA, and was thrown into a PM role. It was him I had the issue with a couple of weeks ago. Since I got the courage from talking to friend and CUK to stand up to him I did, and since then we have been great.

I kept the matter between us, but he escalated to his line. I had a chat with his line as she requested, and was extremely careful where I trod. It seems she is out for him (even though she hired him on the back of a 15 min interview) and has dropped him right in the cart.

Since then the DBA team have put the knife in for him and his contract was up for renewal but is now in the balance. I feel sorry for him, his only crime is being a bit of a cock, and I have worked with far worse.

This company is nuts, and every day feels like wrestling a bear. I am resourced into the plan and am delivering (with the occasional help from weltchy and DP which is very much appreciated when I have a stumper on these newer technologies)

It sounds to me like they will keep him on, as it would be too disruptive to the team (although I actually think the lad has serious promise - he pulled me up short on a couple of issues and made me think)

I know he is looking, and who can blame him. I think he had an interview this morning (ok I KNOW he had) and may not have got it gauging by the expressions he was pulling in the side office.

End of soap opera. Roll titles. This is my life. I am not a sockie.

[Zippy]

Just reply "that was with a budget of $8 billion in 1963.
I can do the same. How would you like to pay?"

[KentPhilip]

It's called managing expectations and communicating how long a task is likely to take before hand.

I had a client manager once that always said "So they can put a man on the moon but you can't do X in Y?"

Twonks the lot of them.

HTH

Just reply "that was with a budget of $8 billion in 1963.
I can do the same. How would you like to pay?"

[jmo21]

It's called managing expectations and communicating how long a task is likely to take before hand.

I had a client manager once that always said "So they can put a man on the moon but you can't do X in Y?"

Twonks the lot of them.

HTH

My favourite way to respond when someone asks "Can this be done?", is that absolutely anything can be done, it just may take some time.

[thunderlizard]

"But I can see you've already added the button to the screen! Surely it can't take more than a few minutes to make it work!"