Guilty until proven innocent

[bogeyman]

£64 cost for each check, with nearly 11 million check
£650 million quids for the govt
every little helps

No that's wrong according to Pravda:

Registration will cost £64 in England and Wales, but unpaid volunteers will be exempt from the charge.

Even so, the money is the least of it.

I think we can expect more of this kind of 1984-esque legislation in the final 'Downfall' days of New Labour.

Scorched earth and all that.

[realityhack]

1) If it's a job requirement, why is she paying it?

It's an EB requirement. She's self-employed.

2) Vince has been ok in my dealings with him.

Not so with us. Depends upon the issue I guess. This is certainly out of his control, but he could respond, at the very least.

3) isn't a single agency what is being implemented here?

The current requirements are separate checks for different societies, clubs, organisations and EBs. They may be processed through the same agency, but unless they change the rules, you'd still have to request (and pay for) separate CRB checks for, say, being a scout leader, and driving kids to clubs unrelated to scouting.

[Andy2]

£64 cost for each check, with nearly 11 million check
£650 million quids for the govt
every little helps

[George Parr]

It's yet another method of draining money from private individuals into Government Inc. This cash will allow Government Inc. to employ more people to carry out the checks (jobs that contribute nothing to the economy). These people will owe thier jobs to NuLab policy so will, presumably, vote for NuLab.

[Moscow Mule]

Mrs RH works for 3 different agencies - what the article doesn't state is how present CRB checking needs to be done annually, and for each different agency, club or organisation you work through. So we pay £108 a year for these checks to enable her to continue to work.

We've written to our incumbent useless MP Vince Cable about how ridiculous this stealth tax is - and even more so as a CRB check is only really valid on the day of issuance - this information we got from the member of CRB staff on the advice line. You could be issued with one, then commit a crime and still be certified as A-OK by the CRB for a further 12 months. The CRB isn't revoked.

Why they can't have a single DB which agencies/police can share, requiring only 1 CRB check for multiple agencies I don't know, surely government IT has the capability to... oh. Never mind.

1) If it's a job requirement, why is she paying it?
2) Vince has been ok in my dealings with him.
3) isn't a single agency what is being implemented here?

[realityhack]

Mrs RH works for 3 different agencies - what the article doesn't state is how present CRB checking needs to be done annually, and for each different agency, club or organisation you work through. So we pay £108 a year for these checks to enable her to continue to work.

We've written to our incumbent useless MP Vince Cable about how ridiculous this stealth tax is - and even more so as a CRB check is only really valid on the day of issuance - this information we got from the member of CRB staff on the advice line. You could be issued with one, then commit a crime and still be certified as A-OK by the CRB for a further 12 months. The CRB isn't revoked.

Why they can't have a single DB which agencies/police can share, requiring only 1 CRB check for multiple agencies I don't know, surely government IT has the capability to... oh. Never mind.

[The Lone Gunman]

dont forget all the extra cars on the roads as lots of parents will no longer offer lifts "just in case". School run mums, football team dads (why is there a gender association there?) etc may be worried and instead of finding out they will withdraw their services to be beyond doubt.

[Spacecadet]

I missed that bit about informal arrangements and needing one if your kids have regular sleepovers...

I thought that was bad, until I got to the bottom... £64 for each check!!

if you carried on reading you would have noticed this:

Registration will cost £64 in England and Wales, but unpaid volunteers will be exempt from the charge.

Still, charged or not the scheme I don't know what the home office are thinking introducing this.

Even more adults are going to be falsely stigmatised because of an incorrect CRB check.

The people who should be caught by the system know exactly how to get a good CRB check - it is literally as simple as moving to a different part of the country and changing your name at the same time. Police will loose all track of you.

So we end up with adults who have their lives ruined by an incorrect CRB check and a general false sense of security that anyone who has passed a CRB check must be safe

[Moscow Mule]

The rapper Scroobius Pip (or maybe his mate Dan Le Sac) has some words on this...

"Thou shalt not think any male over the age of thirty that plays with a child that is not their own is a paedophile. Some people are just nice."

[Clarky]

I drive two other kids to football every weekend, and we have had a number of kids over for sleepovers.

That article claims that as many as 11.3 million people may need to be CRB checked to comply. Each standard CRB check costs £26 or £36 for an enhanced one. Sounds like a nice little earner for HMG.

I missed that bit about informal arrangements and needing one if your kids have regular sleepovers...

I thought that was bad, until I got to the bottom... £64 for each check!!

[PRC1964]

Informal arrangements between parents will not be covered, but anyone taking part in activities involving "frequent" or "intensive" contact with children or vulnerable adults three times in a month, every month, or once overnight, must register.

I drive two other kids to football every weekend, and we have had a number of kids over for sleepovers.

That article claims that as many as 11.3 million people may need to be CRB checked to comply. Each standard CRB check costs £26 or £36 for an enhanced one. Sounds like a nice little earner for HMG.

[Clarky]

You need the check if it's part of a club though... there's nothing in there to stop you giving your kid's mates a lift home like you normally would, because presumably you'd already pre-arranged it with their parents.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

indeed and the spurious justification is the Soham murders, where they let a known kiddie fiddler work with kids because no-one could be bothered to check his references and plod was too dense to understand data protection.

This country gets more like primary school every day - good kids always lose out due to actions of bad and bad 'uns left alone because it's too much like hard work.

[Ruprect]

Once again, ludicrous policy fostering a culture of suspicion and isolation. Parents to have to undergo CRB checks to drive their children's mates home.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8249020.stm