My advice is you go perm
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Originally posted by n5goonerHow much are you charging him for listening?
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Originally posted by zamzummimQuite right Rebecca, like a whore you get down to business, but no need to compare yourself to wife, a man needs a whore now and again, but that doesn't deminish his doesn't want a wife!! but like you said a man may think that the wife is cheaper than the whore, but in the long run ... perhaps a whore is cheapr??
Why Marry when you can rent ?
ts like a WHORE comparing herself to a wife ?? yes the WHORE makes more money, but it’s the life style and who you want to do it with is what attracting wives to be wives and not WHORES like you dear !!
Whoring is a very respectable ancient Profession, which cannot be said of housewifes.
Some argue that Marriage itself is tantamount to Instituionalised Prostitution, albeit a rather unexciting version.
Discuss.Last edited by AlfredJPruffock; 10 November 2005, 15:06.
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Originally posted by Rebecca Loosquite like being a whore ta muchly
we do serve a purpose otherwise would we exist?
i am not trying to justofy my existence I am actually justifying it by being useful to my clients
actually my current client loves contractors and we are a team of 20 with 4 permies and 16 contractors. We all get on and get the work done. Like whores, it's straight down to business and that's what the client wants, pays for and is happy with. Thanks for listening
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Originally posted by Rebecca Loosquite like being a whore ta muchly
we do serve a purpose otherwise would we exist?
i am not trying to justofy my existence I am actually justifying it by being useful to my clients
actually my current client loves contractors and we are a team of 20 with 4 permies and 16 contractors. We all get on and get the work done. Like whores, it's straight down to business and that's what the client wants, pays for and is happy with. Thanks for listening
How much are you charging him for listening?
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quite like being a whore ta muchly
we do serve a purpose otherwise would we exist?
i am not trying to justofy my existence I am actually justifying it by being useful to my clients
actually my current client loves contractors and we are a team of 20 with 4 permies and 16 contractors. We all get on and get the work done. Like whores, it's straight down to business and that's what the client wants, pays for and is happy with. Thanks for listening
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Rebecca, why do you always have this need to justify your existance?? we all know that most employers prefer permies, I know some very senior HR and PMs people and every single one will definitely exhaust every avenue to find an permie who have the needed skills and is available NOW before thinking of hiring a contractor. 90% of the time contractors are only brought in because the employer is desperate enough to get anyone now!! Plus most of the time they aim to replace the contractor as soon as they can, nevertheless there is a niche in the market and us contractors (IT tarts) are supplying for this need, nothing more nothing less... its business, so Rebecca no need for you to continuously compare yourself to permies.
Its like a WHORE comparing herself to a wife ?? yes the WHORE makes more money, but it’s the life style and who you want to do it with is what attracting wives to be wives and not WHORES like you dear !!
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well I may just be a money milker as you say (I don't resent that description, in fact I quite like it) but that seems to be benefitting what clients want - an uncomplicated resource brought to do a job and just that. For them, it's all benefit, as there are no associated and unquantifiable costs - it's very easy to see what I bring and how much I cost.
Back to the other point - I understand what you're saying. We just had different definitions of short term and long term. I say contractors are more expensive in the very short term (< 3 months) but cheaper in the longer term (6 months to a year). For the very long term, then yes - but only because contractors rarely outstay their welcome past the long term. OK, it does happen, but it's not the norm nor the average.
Contractors vs permies:
short term: contractor costs a lot of money but does the job. Permies are cheap but can't do anything
long term: contractor has gone and job is finished - works. HAs been paid off and doesn't cost anything any more. Permies are getting up to speed but need to be retained by the organisation and hence are starting to cost a lot of money
very long term: permie has been able to improve the process/product/department and is showing cost-busting benefits for the organisation
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Originally posted by Rebecca Loosinteresting point Franco, but flawed I think. Roles are not just defined in terms of skill but also in terms of short term and long term costs to the company.
Yes a contractor is more expensive in the short term. But not in the long term.
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Also contractors' costs are often billed to a different cost centre than permies. At one site they imposed a recruitment freeze (on permies) whilst hiring dozens of contractors.
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interesting point Franco, but flawed I think. Roles are not just defined in terms of skill but also in terms of short term and long term costs to the company.
Yes a contractor is more expensive in the short term. But not in the long term.
A company will fill a role with a contractor because they don't want to be lumbered with an employee after the project is over (companies usually underestimate completion dates).
Obviously they expect the contractor to be skilled and ready to go - another advantage
So an over supply of permies, even highly skilled, is not necessarily a problem for contractors. However, an oversupply of contractors is a big problem for us.
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Originally posted by boredsenselessgood point from now on when anyone asks should they go permie or contract we should all say PERMIE, it will lower the amount of people in the pack and therefore you won't get fools undercutting rates making it hard for the rest of us
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Originally posted by n5goonergo permi...please.....stay away from the contract market.....
Guys - the more people that go permi the higher our rates will go.....
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go permi...please.....stay away from the contract market.....
Guys - the more people that go permi the higher our rates will go.....
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