IT - Too easy these days.

[MGM]

From the school of Oric-1 urban terrorism, (Currys, with TV sound turned up to max)

10 WAIT 60
20 PRINT "MGM WAS HERE";
30 PING
40 ZAP
50 EXPLODE
60 GOTO 20

This also locked up the keyboard and left many a red-faced shop assistant running around trying to stop the noise!!!

[VectraMan]

Is true. However take a look at GTK+

It's a C based framework for windows GUI building. I had a play around over christmas when I was benched. Fracking loved it.

C based was the problem. That's why the Petzold program started with this sort of thing:

		WNDCLASSEXW wndclass;
		wndclass.cbSize = sizeof(wndclass);
		wndclass.style = CS_GLOBALCLASS | CS_HREDRAW | CS_VREDRAW;
		wndclass.lpfnWndProc = WndProc;
		wndclass.cbClsExtra = 0;
		wndclass.cbWndExtra = 0;
		wndclass.hInstance = hInstance;
		wndclass.hIcon = NULL;
		wndclass.hCursor = NULL;
		wndclass.hbrBackground = NULL;
		wndclass.lpszMenuName = NULL;
		wndclass.lpszClassName = L"Wibble";
		wndclass.hIconSm = 0;
		result = ::RegisterClassExW(&wndclass) != 0;

If the Windows API had been based around OOP langauges (i.e. C++), it would have all been a lot simpler and better.

[suityou01]

ISTR that he did point out reasonably that

printf("Hello, World");

will not do all that the Windows program does, until you write your window manager too.

Is true. However take a look at GTK+

It's a C based framework for windows GUI building. I had a play around over christmas when I was benched. Fracking loved it.

[bobhope]

I was in the last year that assembly language was mandatory (early 90s) in computer science at University.

Not quite sure how you can get a degree in CS without learning assembler.

[ace00]

In the old days, to get anything to work you had to resort to low level tulip like C and assembler.............

When I were a lad we had to stick wires on t' chip's pin connectors to activate the logic gates. Then we had to work out how the logic function would affect each bit. And convert that to Hex.

[DimPrawn]

http://www.charlespetzold.com/etc/Do...otTheMind.html

Yes.

[expat]

Funnily enough Petzold popped into my head this morning for no apparent reason. I was thinking of that first chapter in the Programming Windows book where he showed the typical one line C command line "Hello World" program, followed by the two page listing that was required to do the same in Windows.

ISTR that he did point out reasonably that

printf("Hello, World");

will not do all that the Windows program does, until you write your window manager too.

[DimPrawn]

Nah, I'll stick with the drag n drop, have another sip of coffee and a biscuit, enterprise integration stuff.

[snaw]

In the old days, to get anything to work you had to resort to low level tulip like C and assembler, now you just open your favourite design surface and drag and drop coloured shapes and lines, click deploy and carry on posting on CUK.

If it gets any easier I'm not sure I'm going to be able to cope.

Fack off. Try doing multicast over MPLS if you seriously want your brain twisted ...

[VectraMan]

Ah yes. Petzold. Those were the days.

Funnily enough Petzold popped into my head this morning for no apparent reason. I was thinking of that first chapter in the Programming Windows book where he showed the typical one line C command line "Hello World" program, followed by the two page listing that was required to do the same in Windows.

[EternalOptimist]

In the old days, to get anything to work you had to resort to low level tulip like C and assembler, now you just open your favourite design surface and drag and drop coloured shapes and lines, click deploy and carry on posting on CUK.

If it gets any easier I'm not sure I'm going to be able to cope.

whats never ceased to amaze me, is that if you know one single atom-sized miniscule tenny-weeny useless bit of stuff that the permies dont know, they think the sun shines out of your flipping @rse

[Moscow Mule]

Is it bollocks.

I've yet to find a design framework that will write legible RPGILE code for me.

I've also yet to find an off-shore coding team that can write legible RPGILE code, but that's a different pot of fish altogether.

[BrilloPad]

Ah yes. Petzold. Those were the days.

[DimPrawn]

In the old days, to get anything to work you had to resort to low level tulip like C and assembler, now you just open your favourite design surface and drag and drop coloured shapes and lines, click deploy and carry on posting on CUK.

If it gets any easier I'm not sure I'm going to be able to cope.