Reply to: Mandelson tells lies, shock horror

[Peoplesoft bloke]

But if less people voted overall and the BNP captured a higher ratio of the votes that were made doesn't that mean that with the people who can be bothered to vote they ARE in actual fact getting more popular?

You have to remember that people who don't vote don't count.

Elections are decided by those who vote, not those who don't.

WHS

Another way of looking at it is this. Most people knew that the BNP were on the rise, especially in the areas where they had a chance, but less people voted against them. That's tacit acceptance.

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[Doggy Styles]

But if less people voted overall and the BNP captured a higher ratio of the votes that were made doesn't that mean that with the people who can be bothered to vote they ARE in actual fact getting more popular?

You have to remember that people who don't vote don't count.

Elections are decided by those who vote, not those who don't.

WHS

Another way of looking at it is this. Most people knew that the BNP were on the rise, especially in the areas where they had a chance, but less people voted against them. That's tacit acceptance.

[JamieMoles]

Which bit did you not understand?

The BNP are NOT becoming more popular. The actual vote count for them was about 6000 DOWN on last time. LESS people voted for them.

But if less people voted overall and the BNP captured a higher ratio of the votes that were made doesn't that mean that with the people who can be bothered to vote they ARE in actual fact getting more popular?

You have to remember that people who don't vote don't count.

Elections are decided by those who vote, not those who don't.

[Menelaus]

And vote for who? For what? Why would I vote LibDems or Tories, different party same old sh!te. They are all implicated in expenses irregularites

I agree with you in principle but at this point the only reason I woudl GOMA and vote is to vote AGAINST Labour not for any other reason. If I am voting against a party rather than for a party I believe is ideologically the right party to run Britain, should I vote?

Yes - you should vote.

As part of the compulsory requirement to vote bill 2020 (when I come to power ) the ballot form will also include a "none of the above" element.

[sunnysan]

The point

This is something that genuinely, truly grips my tulip.

We go on about the state of politicians and how much of ******* / winkettes they are and yet at the same time we fail to do anything about it when we could actually do something about it.

Given the recent scandal of MPs expenses, I'd have expected a huge turnout as a protest vote so that the pols could be shown by the electorate just how tulip they feel and yet - nada.

And vote for who? For what? Why would I vote LibDems or Tories, different party same old sh!te. They are all implicated in expenses irregularites

I agree with you in principle but at this point the only reason I woudl GOMA and vote is to vote AGAINST Labour not for any other reason. If I am voting against a party rather than for a party I believe is ideologically the right party to run Britain, should I vote?

[Menelaus]

Mandelson Lies.

In other news:

Pope believed to be Catholic
Bear defecates in woods
Brown monocular

[The Lone Gunman]

Unless the powers that be get to grips with immigration controls the BNP will continue to rise in popularity. Their rise is the direct result of Labour's failure in this area. I predict that the BNP vote will fall once the Tories are in power and they adopt more stringent controls.

Which bit did you not understand?

The BNP are NOT becoming more popular. The actual vote count for them was about 6000 DOWN on last time. LESS people voted for them.

[Troll]

Illegals are everwhere...some of them have NI numbers and pay tax! Its amazing!

Not the word I would have used

[lilelvis2000]

Unless the powers that be get to grips with immigration controls the BNP will continue to rise in popularity. Their rise is the direct result of Labour's failure in this area. I predict that the BNP vote will fall once the Tories are in power and they adopt more stringent controls.

Things are tightening.. its is very much harder to bring people in on work permits, highly skilled migrants, spousal etc.. It would take probably 1M police to catch all the illegals entering everyday. Illegals are everwhere...some of them have NI numbers and pay tax! Its amazing!

[Menelaus]

Pointless... you could argue that the 2005 election of Labour was down to voter apathy - over a third failed to vote and Labour got in on 22% of the vote

This is something that genuinely, truly grips my tulip.

We go on about the state of politicians and how much of ******* / wankettes they are and yet at the same time we fail to do anything about it when we could actually do something about it.

Given the recent scandal of MPs expenses, I'd have expected a huge turnout as a protest vote so that the pols could be shown by the electorate just how tulip they feel and yet - nada.

[Cyberman]

The BNP actualy polled less votes this time than they did in 2004.
They made gains because the number who did vote constituted a bigger share of those who turned out.
There is no rise in the popularity of this party. I exopect the electorate will not make the same mistake twice. There is another alternative: The two seats they gained could legitimise them and lead to others not being so reticent about voting for them.

Unless the powers that be get to grips with immigration controls the BNP will continue to rise in popularity. Their rise is the direct result of Labour's failure in this area. I predict that the BNP vote will fall once the Tories are in power and they adopt more stringent controls.

[Troll]

The only party that has a clear message and clearly and coherently represents the interests of the people who vote for it are the BNP, which is unfortunate, but true... proved by the fact that they actually won some seats, although in fairness I would have to add, that their gains where probably also down to the apathy of centrist voters.

Pointless... you could argue that the 2005 election of Labour was down to voter apathy - over a third failed to vote and Labour got in on 22% of the vote

[The Lone Gunman]

Labour support fell by 12% in Wales and the Tories took control for the first time since 1918. The writing is on the wall.

I think these results may be just the thing NL needed. The hard core Labour supporters will be out in force for the next general election.

[Cyberman]

Labour support fell by 12% in Wales and the Tories took control for the first time since 1918. The writing is on the wall.

[The Lone Gunman]

That is maybe becuase all centre right/left parties have pretty much the same agenda of b0ll0x, obfustication and people know that given time they too will be exposed to be corrupt and incompetent. "Why vote they are all the same anyway, and anyway we are increasingly being controlled by Brussells, so WGAF".

The only party that has a clear message and clearly and coherently represents the interests of the people who vote for it are the BNP, which is unfortunate, but true... proved by the fact that they actually won some seats, although in fairness I would have to add, that their gains where probably also down to the apathy of centrist voters.

The BNP actualy polled less votes this time than they did in 2004.
They made gains because the number who did vote constituted a bigger share of those who turned out.
There is no rise in the popularity of this party. I exopect the electorate will not make the same mistake twice. There is another alternative: The two seats they gained could legitimise them and lead to others not being so reticent about voting for them.