Reply to: Euro Elections - who'll come out the winner

[lilelvis2000]

That effect is not limited to individual towns or geographic boundaries, and I have had conversations with people who I would classify as traditional rock solid Labour voters (and have benefited by Labour) now being quite open about their intent to vote BNP.
I seem to recall from past postings you or your partner may be of ethnic origin-If the support for the BNP actually translates to real votes, and they are successful in the Euro elections - would that make you more or less likely to consider moving? - and how would you feel if that support was transferred to a General election?

That would be wife - unless being Canadian is ethnic. I think the BNP winning seats where I was living, or near to, or in a significant number would make me move. That would indicate to me that British people really are a thick lot.

The leafet they sent out was truely hilarious and scary the same time...why idiot with half a brain would beleive anything they write? I suppose that would be anyone with less than half a brain.

Are the BNP a smoother/refined version of the Nazi party? The other parties (NO2EU, Green specifically) mentioned BNP in their political broadcast and literature...so they must be very scared of the BNP.

[Troll]

What scared me the most during this campaign was when the BNP came round and dropped off one of their pack of lies leaflet at my wife's office - my wife is an immigration lawyer. And then watching out the window as people were taking leaflets off the BNP canvessers...You know you should move from a town the moment you see that!

That effect is not limited to individual towns or geographic boundaries, and I have had conversations with people who I would classify as traditional rock solid Labour voters (and have benefited by Labour) now being quite open about their intent to vote BNP.
I seem to recall from past postings you or your partner may be of ethnic origin-If the support for the BNP actually translates to real votes, and they are successful in the Euro elections - would that make you more or less likely to consider moving? - and how would you feel if that support was transferred to a General election?

[Cyberman]

Europe should just be a trading bloc, not a federal government with its ever increasing bureacracy and unaffordable costs of 55 Billion a year for the UK. Thus I am pro UKIP for this election and Tory in the long-run because at least they are for a slimmer, cheaper and more democratic Europe.

[PM-Junkie]

Labour will get slaughtered, and on Sunday/Monday someone from the cabinet (if there's anyone left) will be wheeled out in front of the cameras to say it's because of the recession and the expenses fiasco, and that they are "focusing on the important task at hand" because they are "the only ones who can".

They'll then claim that the public has sent them a clear message that they need to pay close attention to it, or some other mealy-mouthed phrase. And then completely ignore it and carry on their own sweet way...

[lilelvis2000]

The BNP will say they did "best" because they will have elected some MEPs..overall I think UKIP will make the most gains. Both use some pretty startling "facts" during their campaigns. I myself wouldn't touch either with a 10ft. pole.

What scared me the most during this campaign was when the BNP came round and dropped off one of their pack of lies leaflet at my wife's office - my wife is an immigration lawyer. And then watching out the window as people were taking leaflets off the BNP canvessers...You know you should move from a town the moment you see that!

[The Lone Gunman]

I dont think everybody wants independence from Europe, I certainly dont. Independent currency, yes. Opting out of the Human Rights Act, no!

Take the BN66 case in the accounting and legal thread. It is only because of European Human Rights legislation that we stand a chance of not getting screwed by the govt.

This is not the first time the govt. have interfered with our civil liberties either.

So therefore, I will be voting for the party who are pro Europe and agree with Brussels keeping a tight leash on our government.

I disagree with that.
I want political independance from Europe.
I think the old idea of a Common Market is what I want to see.

Caveat: If all members of the European Union can be shown to be working for the common good instead of for benefits to their individual states (even regions) then I might change my mind.

[DodgyAgent]

I dont think everybody wants independence from Europe, I certainly dont. Independent currency, yes. Opting out of the Human Rights Act, no!

Take the BN66 case in the accounting and legal thread. It is only because of European Human Rights legislation that we stand a chance of not getting screwed by the govt.

This is not the first time the govt. have interfered with our civil liberties either.

So therefore, I will be voting for the party who are pro Europe and agree with Brussels keeping a tight leash on our government.

And who keeps a tight leash on Brussels?

[SantaClaus]

I dont think everybody wants independence from Europe, I certainly dont. Independent currency, yes. Opting out of the Human Rights Act, no!

Take the BN66 case in the accounting and legal thread. It is only because of European Human Rights legislation that we stand a chance of not getting screwed by the govt.

This is not the first time the govt. have interfered with our civil liberties either.

So therefore, I will be voting for the party who are pro Europe and agree with Brussels keeping a tight leash on our government.

[Board Game Geek]

Expat : They stand for liberty, that'll put them off your list.

How so ? Liberty from Europe is fine by me.

[expat]

On the basis that DA is voting for Libertas, that's another party off the list for me.

If it's good enough for a reccon, that should send alarm bells ringing to everyone else

They stand for liberty, that'll put them off your list.

[VectraMan]

I predict a huge landslide victory for the non-voters. I don't think I'll vote: I honestly can't think of anyone I'd want to vote for.

[BrilloPad]

No andyw option?

[DodgyAgent]

On the basis that DA is voting for Libertas, that's another party off the list for me.

If it's good enough for a reccon, that should send alarm bells ringing to everyone else

[Board Game Geek]

On the basis that DA is voting for Libertas, that's another party off the list for me.

If it's good enough for a reccon, that should send alarm bells ringing to everyone else

[expat]

I also like the EU. I dont however like the way it is run. I am not like a football supporter who adores his football club even if it is badly run or losing match after match, who will still say his club is the best in the world.
I tend to look at things with a little bit more detail.

Nor am I stupid enough to ignore history. I therefore understand the huge sacrifices made by so many of our ancestors to establish the system of government in this country (like it or loathe it) that makes the UK a better place to live than most of the rest of the planet.

This expenses scandal has shown how easy it is for a group of people to get carried away and abuse their power. The EU I am sure is far worse (as is probably any country), so sending a shot accross the bows of the status quo is no bad thing.

Voting liberal is a vote for a continuation of the existing status quo. At least the Torys want to change the way the EU is run, but their umbrella is too large for them to actually do anything about it.

I agree with all of that. So, Libertas: pro-EU but wants it fixed.