ID cards will lead to 'massive fraud'

[planetit]

How many places will have the biometric gear at hand to scan the scrotes iris, take their fingerprints, voice, DNA and feck knows what to prove they are not who they say they are?

My thoughts exactly. And unless everywhere has this gear, what's the point of having biometric ID card? And if you don't have biometrics, why not just use the current forms of ID we have? I've never heard any one addess this issue.

[wendigo100]

Would you believe it. I've just been kicked out onto the street because someone hacked into a database and took ownership of my house.

I've been told there's nothing I can do without biometric proof of ownership.

Oh, and my car. And apparently I'm not married anymore.

[DimPrawn]

And another thing.

An ID card will be a combination of std ID (your photo etc) and BIO on a chip.

When some scrote nicks your card what to stop them putting their photo on it and presenting it. How many places will have the biometric gear at hand to scan the scrotes iris, take their fingerprints, voice, DNA and feck knows what to prove they are not who they say they are?

Those holding the card are likely to be thought as the person whose name appears on the card.

[DimPrawn]

This requires someone hacking into the "National Identity Register" Database, not someone stealing your card.

All sounds very unlikey until you realise that the National Identity Register will be developed and maintained by muppets at EDS (at HUGE public expense) in India where the staff will not give two tulips about the identity or safety of UK people and will be bribed for about the price of a cheese sandwich.

Which was nice.

[tim123]

I think it is the case that your biometric details will be stolen and assigned to a new identity.

So when you present the card it will present an ID that resolves to FAZUL ABDULLAH MOHAMMED and you will be locked up without trial, whilst FAZUL ABDULLAH MOHAMMED goes shopping at your expense and then blows himself up.

This requires someone hacking into the "National Identity Register" Database, not someone stealing your card.

I'm not saying that it wont happen, but it's a massive higher level crime, not some scrote dipping into your bag and taking off with your ID card.

And it doesn't compromise your biometics in a way that requires them to be changed. When the fraud is discovered, it is fixed simply by restoring the database entry to your name.

TBH this type of crime is a big risk today. That's big in the sense that the cost to you is big, but the chance of it happening is vanishingly small. Someone could steal your car (or house) by hacking into the DVLC (or Land Registry) and change the owner's name from you to them. Do you see a lot of this crime your way? Do you worry abouth the possibility? I certainly don't.

tim

[PRC1964]

Ahaa! I have already stolen FAZUL ABDULLAH MOHAMMED's fingers and eye's

So it was you who got to Omar Bakri Mohammed was it? Well done.

[steve'O]

I think it is the case that your biometric details will be stolen and assigned to a new identity.

So when you present the card it will present an ID that resolves to FAZUL ABDULLAH MOHAMMED and you will be locked up without trial, whilst FAZUL ABDULLAH MOHAMMED goes shopping at your expense and then blows himself up.

Ahaa! I have already stolen FAZUL ABDULLAH MOHAMMED's fingers and eye's

[DimPrawn]

I think it is the case that your biometric details will be stolen and assigned to a new identity.

So when you present the card it will present an ID that resolves to FAZUL ABDULLAH MOHAMMED and you will be locked up without trial, whilst FAZUL ABDULLAH MOHAMMED goes shopping at your expense and then blows himself up.

[threaded]

NIR? Isn't that the system where several people have the same numbers?

[tim123]

If your card is stolen it will be a simple matter to give you finger and eye transplants so that you can obtain a new identity. Simple really, if not a little painful and inconvenient.

If your card is stolen, the biometrices on it (and those in the NIR for the same reference number) will not match those of the person who has acquired the card.

Sorry, I don't understand what the problem is here?

tim

[wendigo100]

ID cards? Let us use their correct name: Surveillance Cards

[DimPrawn]

Key quote
"Unlike other forms of information, such as credit card details, if core biometric details such as your fingerprints are compromised, it is not going to be possible to provide you with new ones," - Mr Fishenden, national technology officer for Microsoft

If your card is stolen it will be a simple matter to give you finger and eye transplants so that you can obtain a new identity. Simple really, if not a little painful and inconvenient.

[threaded]

Of course ID cards will lead to massive fraud.

It is intentional.

It is a basic tenet of socialism.

It called redistribution of wealth.

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ID cards will lead to 'massive fraud'

Key points
• Microsoft warned the scheme could generate a massive amount of ID fraud
• There may be a Commons rebellion over whether the bill should get a 3rd reading
• It is proposed the ID cards will carry 13 personal identifiers, such as iris scans and finger prints

Key quote
"Unlike other forms of information, such as credit card details, if core biometric details such as your fingerprints are compromised, it is not going to be possible to provide you with new ones," - Mr Fishenden, national technology officer for Microsoft