Reply to: Now we treat our fishermen like drug dealers

[Sysman]

I'd probably struggle myself to find one, but I distinctly remember using my phrase about our fisheries vs French farmland at least twice before; and although I may have been the most eloquent and insightful, I was not alone.

I don't remember seeing it here, but I do remember How Defra crushed British fishermen from January.

A draconian quota sytem forces fishermen to throw countless millions of saleable fish dead back into the sea, writes Christopher Booker.

This story was about the England's largest fishing port, Newlyn in Cornwall.

(By the way, this is an example of where the new Telegraph website is a shadow of the old one. On the old website, this story would have been included in Related Articles for yesterday's article.)

[minestrone]

I thought this site was for contractors of the computer variety?

I think there were quite a few stories on fishermenuk....

Spent many years living in fishing villages, Pittenweem in Fife and then Lamlash on the Isle of Arran. Neither places has a fishing industry now.

On the topic of Scotland I am consistently embarrassed by my so called nation, Glasgow was quite rightly called the second city of the Empire, now it is a dump, 25% of the population are on benefits.

I feel sorry for the English being subjected to our socialist politicians.

[BrilloPad]

I am struggling to find a thread on this site that stood up for North Sea fishermen during the last 20 years.

One torygraph story and we are all onside now?

I thought this site was for contractors of the computer variety?

I think there were quite a few stories on fishermenuk....

[PM-Junkie]

...If you're such a pusillanimous myopic toom-tabard scaredy-cat that you don't think Scots can run a country, and need the English to do it for them, vote with your feet

It has clearly escaped your attention that there is ample evidence from what has happened over the last 12 years that the Scottish haven't the first clue how to run a country - since the Scottish have dominated the front bench of the labour party for all of that time.

[Rantor]

You'll be missed OK I lied.

If you're such a pusillanimous myopic toom-tabard scaredy-cat that you don't think Scots can run a country, and need the English to do it for them, vote with your feet. Go to England. I wouldn't recommend, e.g. Denmark, where you would want to tell them that they should really be run from Berlin; or Portugal which would naturally be better managed by Madrid; or Belgium where naturally Amsterdam's writ should run. Every one of those would send you packing with a flea in your ear, and they wouldn't have to check GDP tables first.

A rather depressing post expat. GB has been a unitary state for 300 years, the examples you cite have not.

Why does it provoke such a reaction to indicate a preference for one british politician over another and/or a preference for keeping a unitary state?

I know a lot of scots nats (past and present plus some high heid yins) and they are no different from any other myopic ethnic nationalists that you can find in many countries. From my experience, the quality newspaper essays and economic rationalisations are just window dressing for something a bit less wholesome.

Your reaction is veering pretty close to "if you don't like it here then why don't you f**k off" and that surprises me a bit.

[minestrone]

You'll be missed OK I lied.

Seriously though, when was the last time you worked in Scotland?

Country is a Robin Reliant now.

My bother was a campaign manager for the SNP and a very good one, I would get drafted in to do IT support for them and met Mr & Mz fish on several occasions. Bunch of little thugs the 2 of them.

Having said that my other brother was a bookmaker and Galloway's campaign manager told him he was getting a kicking because he never let him place a bet after the post. My brother kicked him out the shop.

[expat]

If the SNP ever 'get in' I will be one Scot out of many that will be 'heading south'.

Oil will run out and the Scottish have been running the UK for 12 years in case you never realised. They have made a butchery of the job.

Give me an English Thatcher over a Scottish Brown any day of the year.

You'll be missed OK I lied.

If you're such a pusillanimous myopic toom-tabard scaredy-cat that you don't think Scots can run a country, and need the English to do it for them, vote with your feet. Go to England. I wouldn't recommend, e.g. Denmark, where you would want to tell them that they should really be run from Berlin; or Portugal which would naturally be better managed by Madrid; or Belgium where naturally Amsterdam's writ should run. Every one of those would send you packing with a flea in your ear, and they wouldn't have to check GDP tables first.

[minestrone]

We still can. But it requires separating from those who insist on handing over everything to the EU.

No other country does that. Can you imagine France sharing its farmland? Our natural wealth is in the sea, and there is no reason (except the historical origins of the EU) why farmland should be kept but fisheries shared among all.

Separate from England. Leave the EU; then (and only then, when they know that we mean it) re-join. Scotland would be in for sure, but as a peripheral maritime community, with full recognition of its maritime position (keep your fish) and its peripheral position (EU support for transport links).

Scotland is suffering from Englnd more than ever in the EU. And I haven't even mentioned spending a quantity of oil that would have made Scotland's currency "embarrasingly strong" on supporting England's wilful deficits and imperialistic foreign wars, brown-nosing to Washington and posturing in New York and Brussels.

If the SNP ever 'get in' I will be one Scot out of many that will be 'heading south'.

Oil will run out and the Scottish have been running the UK for 12 years in case you never realised. They have made a butchery of the job.

Give me an English Thatcher over a Scottish Brown any day of the year.

[Cliphead]

Our natural wealth is in the sea

Fished almost to extiction of some species.

[expat]

I am struggling to find a thread on this site that stood up for North Sea fishermen during the last 20 years.

One torygraph story and we are all onside now?

I'd probably struggle myself to find one, but I distinctly remember using my phrase about our fisheries vs French farmland at least twice before; and although I may have been the most eloquent and insightful, I was not alone.

[minestrone]

I am struggling to find a thread on this site that stood up for North Sea fishermen during the last 20 years.

One torygraph story and we are all onside now?

[expat]

They will not have not been bailed for this alone, there will be previous.

North of Scotland has been decimated by EU fishing regulations. We should have done what Iceland did and got out there with gun boats.

We still can. But it requires separating from those who insist on handing over everything to the EU.

No other country does that. Can you imagine France sharing its farmland? Our natural wealth is in the sea, and there is no reason (except the historical origins of the EU) why farmland should be kept but fisheries shared among all.

Separate from England. Leave the EU; then (and only then, when they know that we mean it) re-join. Scotland would be in for sure, but as a peripheral maritime community, with full recognition of its maritime position (keep your fish) and its peripheral position (EU support for transport links).

Scotland is suffering from Englnd more than ever in the EU. And I haven't even mentioned spending a quantity of oil that would have made Scotland's currency "embarrasingly strong" on supporting England's wilful deficits and imperialistic foreign wars, brown-nosing to Washington and posturing in New York and Brussels.

[minestrone]

ps. Minestrone they were jailed for contempt of court by mortgaging a house that was a "Frozen asset" to pay the massive fine, quite frankly the court deserves contempt for this.

For that alone they should be jailed.

[TykeMerc]

That's totally absurd.

ps. Minestrone they were jailed for contempt of court by mortgaging a house that was a "Frozen asset" to pay the massive fine, quite frankly the court deserves contempt for this.

[minestrone]

They will not have not been bailed for this alone, there will be previous.

North of Scotland has been decimated by EU fishing regulations. We should have done what Iceland did and got out there with gun boats.