Oh dear. Must need more community orders.

[expat]

One really should not have a daily mail moment. Was he an immigrant? How much was his house worth?

It wasn't a real Daily Mail moment. I don't know whether he was an immigrant: one picture I saw left me unable to suggest with a high degree of confidence that he wasn't (that's a bit like when the BBC say nothing of ethnicity of violent criminals but add that it is being investigated by Operation Trident.....). I don't know how much his house was worth, I suppose you'd have to ask whatever agency provided it.

[expat]

I disagree strongly.

Simple solution and proposed a long time ago by Larry Niven. Turn scumbag repeat crims into organ donors and fertiliser, cheap, effective and gives a lot back to the communities that they victimised.

That's a really good point, but against you. Niven himself described Plateau as having a "hideous social stratification" and all his stories of the organ banks tended to elaborate on the vicious injustice of them.

I'd go only as far as necessary. But keeping this miserable monster off the streets is now proven necessary. And I suppose yes, although I do not seek revenge (for what didn't happen to me or mine, after all) or schadenfreude, one pre-requisite for his ever being allowed out again would IMHO be some understanding on his part that we will not stand for this.

The trouble with that is that we will.

[BrilloPad]

OK a few hours have passed and I'm more relaxed, but the Daily Mail Moment has not left me.

One really should not have a daily mail moment. Was he an immigrant? How much was his house worth?

[TykeMerc]

We should indeed try to reform him, but the presumption by now has to be that until we do believe that he is reformed, he is not a free man.

I disagree strongly.

Simple solution and proposed a long time ago by Larry Niven. Turn scumbag repeat crims into organ donors and fertiliser, cheap, effective and gives a lot back to the communities that they victimised.

[expat]

OK a few hours have passed and I'm more relaxed, but the Daily Mail Moment has not left me. This scumbag was a repeat offender, a violent criminal, out on bail and wearing an electronic tag, when he jumped at the chance to attack someone so viciously that the person died. For a hint, mistaken as it turned out, that this person might have argued with his scumbag woman for her queue-jumping (normally she doesn't queue, just shoplifts).

I am not at all liberal about this one: he should have been made to understand that the electronic tag wasn't just a piece of jewellery, it represented his last chance. He's used up his last chance. He has had plenty, but threw them all away. Unless and until we can work out a way to have him rejoin society, we should now be asking when and how, if ever, he can be let out on the streets again. Because as things stand I do not want people like that walking the streets freely beside me, my wife, or my daughter; and I think that by now we have a right to say that he has blown it, we will not allow it.

We should indeed try to reform him, but the presumption by now has to be that until we do believe that he is reformed, he is not a free man.

He would never be missed

[Drewster]

So who killed him?

Story says man killed man. Weblink says woman found guilty of it?

She (the woman) got pissed off with some chap in the queue...
She phoned her "fella" and asked him to sort it out.....
He (Fella) turned up and said "Where is eee"...
She pointed at bloke on esclator...
Fella went over and belted the bloke...
She said "Oooooops thats not THE bloke"....

She was found guilty cos she got her bloke to come and "sort it out".... even though her (thick as a brick) fella actually got the wrong bloke....

So:
He did it not me - was no defence
We didn't mean to do it - was not a defence

[Unicorn]

The woman called the man in from outside the supermarket to attack someone who argued with the woman about queue pushing.

She either knew or suggested that her boyfriend attack the victim (who wasn't the person who the woman who had the argument with).

[Svalbaard]

So who killed him?

Story says man killed man. Weblink says woman found guilty of it?

[Mich the Tester]

Wow, you must get pretty hungry. May I recommend shoplifting as an alternative to cannibalism?

I do get hungry. I eat a lot. Being a rich contractor barsteward, I pay for my food, and I try to avoid supermarkets altogether; they're full of nasty chavs killing each other in long queues. It doesn't happen in the exclusive stores that I visit.

[BrowneIssue]

... let you take the food for free. ... resort to killing someone though.

Wow, you must get pretty hungry. May I recommend shoplifting as an alternative to cannibalism?

[Mich the Tester]

Supermarkets should open more tills when it's busy and otherwise let you take the food for free. I f**king hate it when there's a long queue at two tills and a long row of empty tills. I don't think I'd resort to killing someone though.

[expat]

Woman found guilty over supermarket queue killing

A violent criminal who killed a shopper during a row about queue jumping at a supermarket was wearing an electronic tag and on bail at the time of the attack.

Tony Virasami, 38, admitted killing Kevin Tripp after mistakenly believing he had pushed in front of his girlfriend, Antonette Richardson, at a Sainsbury's store in South London.
...
Richardson and Virasami, both from Catford, southeast London, worked together as shoplifters and had criminal records dating back more than 20 years. At the time of the killing, Virasami was on bail for shoplifting offences and was also on a curfew.

Richardson, a heroin addict, had always received community orders, conditional discharges or fines when she was convicted.