Reply to: Agile development

[threaded]

One of the Agile principles is sustainable development. I.e. you don't work more than 40 hours a week.

Well that's the theory

Yes, but one should remember all such things are forgotten about once some onanist manager gets it into his pea-brain that this buzz-word'll look good in a power-point presentation.

[Peter Loew]

Never used it. Never going to get a gig without it on the CV. At least half of the gigs I see listed on Jobserve require it. What can I do?

I know its a buyers market at the mo, but some of the specs are ludicrously picky. Gets me down. Still I'm not alone.

Fake it till you make it.

[swamp]

'Agile' is a 'code-word' to tell you to expect to work in a sweat-shop, forget about weekends, and the management are arseholes.

One of the Agile principles is sustainable development. I.e. you don't work more than 40 hours a week.

Well that's the theory

[threaded]

Not sure why any jobs have this as a mandatory requirement. It's not something you really have to take time out to learn, it's more just a way of doing things and once you get on site with an Agile team you will have no choice.

As mentioned, just have a quick read up about it to give you an idea of what it's about. You will have covered some of it before.

'Agile' is a 'code-word' to tell you to expect to work in a sweat-shop, forget about weekends, and the management are arseholes.

[jkoder]

Not sure why any jobs have this as a mandatory requirement. It's not something you really have to take time out to learn, it's more just a way of doing things and once you get on site with an Agile team you will have no choice.

As mentioned, just have a quick read up about it to give you an idea of what it's about. You will have covered some of it before.

[swamp]

there's one......anyone ever actually done pair programming? what a lot of crap!

Yep. Done loads. It's good for sharing skills and knowledge in a team. If you don't pair program you inevitably end up with people 'owning' parts of the code. It also keeps people from slacking off posting on CUK.

[DimPrawn]

there's one......anyone ever actually done pair programming? what a lot of crap!

I once worked with a female programmer with a cracking pair. Does that count?

[jmo21]

Is there anything else that I should know about it?

pair programming? or iterative development? or in other words you make it up as you go along

there's one......anyone ever actually done pair programming? what a lot of crap!

[minestrone]

Agile doesn't paint itself as anything other than a methodology; the problem is that "gurus" and egotistical managers started to believe it could fix all problems and now expect it to.

method

[Smurficus]

Agile paints itself as the silver bullet

Agile doesn't paint itself as anything other than a methodology; the problem is that "gurus" and egotistical managers started to believe it could fix all problems and now expect it to.

[minestrone]

For instance, I have been in planning games with over 20 people debating for an hour whether a 'story' would take 1 1/2 days' or 2 days' development time. As the Americans say, do the math.

Last gig I was in they ended up having an argument over how to manage bugs in an agile project in every meeting. It ended up taking up 2 hours once.

What that basically said to me was that they should not be let near a software process but they were given an agile course which gave everybody the idea that they were now experts and their opinions should be noticed.

Agile paints itself as the silver bullet and that is very dangerous, I wish we could go back the days of "OK I am your boss, here is a task, you have 2 days to do it, put it in a build and we will test it and if it passes we will promote it to go for end user testing"

Anyway the first agile project was a total disaster, we should have ditched it there and then.

[DodgyAgent]

how to pronounce

Is there anything else that I should know about it?

pair programming? or iterative development? or in other words you make it up as you go along

[Ravello]

I know f*** all about it

There ya go dodgy, fixed that for you.

[Ruprect]

I know all about it

how to pronounce

[DodgyAgent]

p.s. I've never had an agent have the first clue about it, so as long as you can talk through the method in an interview you'll be fine.

I know all about it