Reply to: Gordon IS a moron

[DimPrawn]

poll added - just to shake things up a little...

Gordon IS a moron
Gordon ISN'T a moron
AtW is a twat

Really should have been multiple choice.

[Purple Dalek]

There was a scheme during the shutting down of the pits that a company could take on someone from one of the areas and basically employ them for free for 3 months. Result: companies set up to employ people for three months.

[Doggy Styles]

If the £2500 DID make a difference between hiring someone and not, wouldn't it encourage discrimination against people that have only been out of work, say, 4 months, even if they were the better candidate? I wouldn't be happy with that.

[PM-Junkie]

...there's a few of us have done the same thing BP.

[Cheshire Cat]

So when the JSA claimants are at the highest level since NL took power, does that not suggest we are doubly fooked?

Expect a proposal imminently from Gordo: The Govt to pay each person on JSA £10,000 to go to the docs and complain of a bad back or M.E. to swap over the JSA claimants to IB.

[Bagpuss]

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The Oracle has spoken, argument over

[Platypus]

Isn't the point that £2500 is only going to cover a small proportion of the cost of hiring someone, and as companies aren't hiring anyway why should they incur the rest of the cost, and be net out of pocket, for no good reason?

And conversely, if a company was about to hire someone who'd been on the dole for more than 6 months, wouldn't they just do it anyway? Right man for the job etc?

So I don't see how this plan will encourage anything at all, apart from publicity for Gordo being seen to be doing something.

[Cyberman]

Exactly, he'ss not being a moron, but cleverly doing something which looks very good (it's a nice scheme in principle) but will cost him very little in the near future.

Yeah, clever, just like removing regulation on the banks, taxing pensions by 5 billion pounds a year, abolishing the 10% income tax rate, selling our gold and reducing the VAT rate to 15%. All of those probably looked good to Labour supporters at the time. The more intelligent of us saw through it immediately. Others saw through it once these stupid decsisions either had no effect or a devastating effect.

[Bagpuss]

Isn't the point that £2500 is only going to cover a small proportion of the cost of hiring someone, and as companies aren't hiring anyway why should they incur the rest of the cost, and be net out of pocket, for no good reason?

They aren't forced to hire anyone, it does apply to those considering it though, and surely there must be quite a few of those still? If all companies were f'd then we would really be in the poo. Not a fantastic policy but not that different to what the opposition has been suggesting.

[PM-Junkie]

He's not a moron - anyone who gets a PhD is hardly a moron. I just think having a degree in history and a PhD centred on the Scottish labour party in the early part of the last century means he wasn't qualified to be chancellor. He should have carried on being a journalist, and left the economics to someone who understands the subject.

[Doggy Styles]

How could he have known that when he thought up the policy? Your anger is confusing you thoughts (as Yoda might say).

Isn't the point that £2500 is only going to cover a small proportion of the cost of hiring someone, and as companies aren't hiring anyway why should they incur the rest of the cost, and be net out of pocket, for no good reason?

Surely Gordon Brown would have seen that.

[ratewhore]

poll added - just to shake things up a little...

[minestrone]

People who have been unemployed for more than 6 months are probably there for a reason.

It is pointless in a time of massively increasing unemployment to try and get the long term unemployed off the dole queue. It might have worked to an extent a few years ago but certainly not now.

[ratewhore]

During the 30's, The Nazi's simply removed all the "undesirables" from work, and replaced them with good, solid Aryans, whilst not including the ousted in the official figures.
Unemployment figures went through the floor. Everyone (assuming you were white, and not Jewish, Gipsy, homosexual, or anything else on their ignore list) was happy.
Nowadays we just shift people from JSA to Incapacity Benefit, and don't count the IB numbers. Sorted.

So when the JSA claimants are at the highest level since NL took power, does that not suggest we are doubly fooked?

[Bagpuss]

This golden hello plan he announced has a fundamental flaw, as pointed out on R4 this morning. The Govt will give a company £2500 to take on someone who has been on the rock and roll for 6 months. In this economic environment, it was pointed out the a business owner will not actually WANT to take on staff, regardless of the £2500.

More bollocks from El Gordo. But we knew that...

How could he have known that when he thought up the policy? Your anger is confusing you thoughts (as Yoda might say).