Reply to: UK slump 'is worst for 28 years'

[thunderlizard]

Just three examples, and there are numerous others. Funny, I can't see the word "Tory" in any of those, so would you care to rephrase or withdraw your claim now?

Crikey, that's a bit barristery. I was thinking of this, from 2000 Labour Party Conference.

"We will not put hard won economic stability at risk. No return to short-termism. No return to Tory boom and bust."

Blair was quite fond of that phrase too.

but top marks for being able to recall 3 speeches that weren't even on the telly. You must be Gordon Brown's number 1 fan!

[TimberWolf]

Well, you folks carry on swallowing the spin. Those of us with the capacity to think for ourselves will do otherwise.

The capacity to think for ourselves doesn't appear to be in any great short supply (especially here)

[PM-Junkie]

Well, you folks carry on swallowing the spin. Those of us with the capacity to think for ourselves will do otherwise.

[OwlHoot]

Thanks Timberwolf. "in the late 80s" = "of the late 80s" = "Tory", so point proved

[TimberWolf]

According to http://www.parliament.the-stationery...t/80521-02.htm Brown said:

"...are determined to avoid a return to boom and bust..."
"...and of the creation of stop-go and boom-bust in the late 1980s..."
"...determined to avoid a return to the boom-bust, stop-go conditions of the late 1980s..."

So, ignoring the first quote, we have indeed avoided a repeat of the boom and busts of the late 1980s.

[OwlHoot]

Er, hello? There are two posts showing that is definitively not the case. Or did you just not read them?

The "he" in my post referred to Gordon Brown, not to a previous poster in this thread!

It was a joke (although after posting I noticed that thunderlizard had nipped in first).

Actually, on second thoughts I'm not so convinced it is a joke. I think GB really did use the word "Tory" in that phrase, although obviously not in the comical sense that he expected a Labour bust in due course.

[Call Me Arbuthnot]

It would be amusing if Mr Brown really did refer to "Tory boom and bust", as if a Tory one was bad and a Labour one is somehow better. Don't you think?

Evidence suggests that a "Tory boom and bust" would be viewed as utterly benign alongside the one that Mr Brown is now conjuring up. Ho ho!

But I can't have that. He's lying. 99% of the time he didn't distinguish Tory at all. As recently as the 2006 budget, he said: "No return to boom and bust". No Tory in there at all.

Who's call is it for drinks?

[PM-Junkie]

I think his actual words were 'No return to Tory boom and bust'.

He never said anything about no Labour bust and, boy, is this ever one!

Er, hello? There are two posts showing that is definitively not the case. Or did you just not read them?

[OwlHoot]

Watch my lips..... '[b]No return to boom and bust[b/]' !!!!

It could be 'No return to boom' !!!!

I think his actual words were 'No return to Tory boom and bust'.

He never said anything about no Labour bust and, boy, is this ever one!

[DiscoStu]

Fairly definitive answer here.

[PM-Junkie]

Of course, what he actually said was "no return to Tory boom and bust"

May 20, 1997, speech by Gordon Brown to the CBI: Quote "Stability is necessary for our future economic success. The British economy of the future must be built not on the shifting sands of boom and bust, but on the bedrock of prudent and wise economic management for the long term. It is only these firm foundations that we can raise Britain's underlying economic performance."

April 28 1998, speech by Gordon Brown British American Business Council in London: Quote "Now it is true to say in Britain that the last forty years has been characterised by stop go, boom bust, instability in economic policy. And so I can tell you that the first objective of the new government has been the determination to ensure monetary and fiscal stability, in place of stop go, and to do so in an economy far more open than the sheltered national economics of the past."

June 10 1999, speech by Gordon Brown at Mansion House: Quote "The way forward is for governments to consciously pursue monetary and fiscal stability through setting clear objectives, establishing proper rules, and requiring openness and transparency - the new rules of the game. Particularly important for a Britain which has been more subject than most economies to the instability of boom-bust cycles and constantly changing policies."


Just three examples, and there are numerous others. Funny, I can't see the word "Tory" in any of those, so would you care to rephrase or withdraw your claim now?

[thunderlizard]

Of course, what he actually said was "no return to Tory boom and bust"

[tim123]

Watch my lips..... 'No return to boom and bust' !!!!


It could be 'No return to boom' !!!!

That's what it should have been.

Historically, it is the only way to avoid the bust.

This doesn't means that the economy can't have managed growth.

tim

[Cyberman]

I was contracting in London 28 years ago. It was good. Don't let them scare you.

The economy was being controlled by the Tories and rapidly returned to better times with a balanced budget. I somehow don't see that happening now. Brown has no hope of balancing his budget and the deficit is almost 100 billion this year and 150 Billion estimated for next year.

[expat]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7820728.stm

The UK economy shrank by 1.5% in the last three months of 2008, its worst performance in 28 years, a think tank has concluded.

I was contracting in London 28 years ago. It was good. Don't let them scare you.