Reply to: I is from the ghetto

[John Galt]

John Galt: You also should mention that many UK ex pats take considerable amounts of ability with them, leaving the UK up the proverbial creek without a paddle. For example now I am in Denmark look at how well Denmarks e-gov projects are going and how bad to worse the UK ones are...

There again the UK gov could buy my Child Support Support System for £500 mil, but it appears they'd rather waste money.

Couldn't agree more Threaded - who's going to look after all the money grabbing chavs when everybody else has gone? Anyone remember Mad Max?

If you haven't got the contract Threaded it's your own fault - grease a few palms, kiss Bliar's bottom and convert to Islam - you'll be fine

[OwlHoot]

Part of the problem is that we have a Govt. that is trying to bend over backwards to accomodate the migrants at the expense of the indiginous communities.

Most people in the pro-immigration lobby seem to see immigrant communities, and immigrants themselves, as no more than an adornment to British society and their presence a living testament to those peoples' PC values, mascots almost, as one might think of hedgehogs living at the bottom of the garden being proof of one's right-thinking green outlook.

In a way that's more patronising and insulting than many racists, who at least don't take immigrants' gratitude and acquiescence of Western ways for granted, apart from a few quaint ethnic customs, and aren't surprised when the immigrants prefer their own traditions (which are often more sound than soppy socialist Western attitudes).

[threaded]

John Galt: You also should mention that many UK ex pats take considerable amounts of ability with them, leaving the UK up the proverbial creek without a paddle. For example now I am in Denmark look at how well Denmarks e-gov projects are going and how bad to worse the UK ones are...

There again the UK gov could buy my Child Support Support System for £500 mil, but it appears they'd rather waste money.

[John Galt]

But how do we decide what we don't need. We probably don't need most of the service industry, it generates wealth, but we don't need it.

That's the million dollar question saggy cat. You have to have a reasonable balance and we haven't got it. Newly qualified doctors are having hell and all trouble finding a job because so many doctors have been recruited from overseas. You also have to consider how many immigrants are of financial benefit to the country - it costs us enough to support our own home grown layabouts without supporting other peoples as well. At least most UK expats take a certain wealth with them which will be of benefit to their adopted country

[ladymuck]

Can't we all clean our own toilets and tell them to piss off?

You're quite happy to clean the public loo after you've used it?

[Bagpuss]

Why couldn't we use all of the unemployed - they sit on their backsides all day but bring in money - make them do what the rest of us have to do - go out and earn a living! Also consider - more people - more toilet cleaners - less people less toilet cleaners.

But how do we decide what we don't need. We probably don't need most of the service industry, it generates wealth, but we don't need it.

[DimPrawn]

Can't we all clean our own toilets and tell them to piss off?

[John Galt]

We have alot of people but unfortunatley the wrong (old) type.
Most ex white collar workers are unlikely to want to clean toilets in their old age so who is going to do the sh1tty lower paid jobs?
We could use some of the umemployed but we still wouldn't have enough.
The only soulution is to up the TFR (total fertillity rate) until then we will always need immigrants.

Why couldn't we use all of the unemployed - they sit on their backsides all day but bring in money - make them do what the rest of us have to do - go out and earn a living! Also consider - more people - more toilet cleaners - less people less toilet cleaners.

[DimPrawn]

More evidence of the New Lies obsession with Social Engineering experiments. They are keen to change the voting profile of Britain. Millions of people, inc immigrants dependant on the state, voting Labour to ensure the continued free handouts, keeping the Blair and co in a permenant state of power.

[The Lone Gunman]

IMHO the Government should mind its own damn business. As long as they try and force people to integrate there will be problems. The other problem, as far as I see it, is that this country is desperately overcrowded and the indiginous population is resenting the immigrants who are making a difficult situation worse. Bliar and co are constantly trying to emulate the US and their policies on multi-culturalism but in the US there are only about 65 people per square mile - in the UK there are over 500. Head, wall, bang repeatedly together.

Part of the problem is that we have a Govt. that is trying to bend over backwards to accomodate the migrants at the expense of the indiginous communities.
Another part of the problem is the aggresive nature of the migrant population insisting that their prejudices are observed whilst ignoring our own against them.
The "You cnat do that to us" attitude that has come with some of these people is appaling and with ever more bleeding hearts and artists saying "poor loves" it gets ever harder to have an integrated society.

Like I said before if they dont like something, but that something is perfectly legal, then they should shut up or ship out.

In many cases their ghettos and poverty are of their own making.

[BoredBloke]

When I was 7 we lived in Holland. We had to have Dutch lessons and all our lessons were given in Dutch - although the teacher could speak English and would help me and my sister out.

I was once told off for speaking English to my sister during school time as it was not practicing my Dutch.

[Bagpuss]

IMHO the Government should mind its own damn business. As long as they try and force people to integrate there will be problems. The other problem, as far as I see it, is that this country is desperately overcrowded and the indiginous population is resenting the immigrants who are making a difficult situation worse. Bliar and co are constantly trying to emulate the US and their policies on multi-culturalism but in the US there are only about 65 people per square mile - in the UK there are over 500. Head, wall, bang repeatedly together.

We have alot of people but unfortunatley the wrong (old) type.
Most ex white collar workers are unlikely to want to clean toilets in their old age so who is going to do the sh1tty lower paid jobs?
We could use some of the umemployed but we still wouldn't have enough.
The only soulution is to up the TFR (total fertillity rate) until then we will always need immigrants.

[John Galt]

IMHO the Government should mind its own damn business. As long as they try and force people to integrate there will be problems. The other problem, as far as I see it, is that this country is desperately overcrowded and the indiginous population is resenting the immigrants who are making a difficult situation worse. Bliar and co are constantly trying to emulate the US and their policies on multi-culturalism but in the US there are only about 65 people per square mile - in the UK there are over 500. Head, wall, bang repeatedly together.

[The Lone Gunman]

Same should apply to all the ex pats in Spain (and other European countries) that can't be bothered to learn the language or try to fit in with local culture.

I have not met the resident communities in Spain or any other country for that matter. Most Brits I have met have been migratory, not permanently resident. Those who regard themselves as the later have to a man learned the lingo and joined in the local community.
I dont realy mind the not learning the lingo and the not fitting in bit, that is the look out of the individual.
What I object to is an insistance on changing local law to suit the incomer, or the generation of "no go" areas for locals and police alike. Something I have never witnessed outside the UK.

[Bagpuss]

Nothing to see here please move along.