Reply to: Just starting to warm up…..

[Purple Dalek]

What if I hadn't noticed it or the weaving started as I passed. That is the point I was trying to make. When somebody does something entirly unexpected how are you supposed to prepare for that. Yes you can be observant and try to spot things but you have to place a certain amount of trust in the other motorists. Incidently I didn't pass as he was weaving and I have never had a crash. By the same token I have seen near misses and crashes where somebody has done something you simply would not have expected them to do.

In the case of this woman - I don't see it as being too unreasonable that the van driver simply didn't see her and pulled out from his lane, cutting her up and causing her to lose control of her car.

It stands to reason that if he'd started weaving as you were passing he'd have run into the side of you, not in front. If he did weave in front, you'd already be braking as you would have seen it happening in front of you.

When someone does something entirely unexpected you are required to keep control of your vehicle. Not lock the wheels up, grab a fistful of steering and end straddled across the central reservation.

I've decided from the evidence given she was putting her make-up on, and so wasn't concentrating. The rest of the story she made up.

[BoredBloke]

Of course you would be, you plank!

You had noted the problem, and yet you still took a risk to overtake. Why not just ease off and wait for the problem to go away, rather than risk an accident by accelerating past it.

Blimey the risks some some people invent for themselves and then cry about it when they get caught out.

What if I hadn't noticed it or the weaving started as I passed. That is the point I was trying to make. When somebody does something entirly unexpected how are you supposed to prepare for that. Yes you can be observant and try to spot things but you have to place a certain amount of trust in the other motorists. Incidently I didn't pass as he was weaving and I have never had a crash. By the same token I have seen near misses and crashes where somebody has done something you simply would not have expected them to do.

In the case of this woman - I don't see it as being too unreasonable that the van driver simply didn't see her and pulled out from his lane, cutting her up and causing her to lose control of her car.

[Purple Dalek]

Neither of us were there so we don't know. I've had vans pull out on me without indicating. I've not crashed, but that has been down to luck rather than any great driving skill on my part. Today on the motorway I went past a van weaving out of his lane, onto the hard shoulder etc because he was on his phone. So while I was overtaking him, had he weaved the other way, without any form of indication, would I have been a bad driver if I'd have hit him?

Of course you would be, you plank!

You had noted the problem, and yet you still took a risk to overtake. Why not just ease off and wait for the problem to go away, rather than risk an accident by accelerating past it.

Blimey the risks some some people invent for themselves and then cry about it when they get caught out.

[BoredBloke]

And she didn't notice someone overtaking her up the inside and get prepared to brake if they did something silly? Lack of care and attention yet again. The reality is you'd actually rear end anyone who really did it too quick.

It is fairly simple, she can't drive and shouldn't be on the roads.

You lot seem so desperate for a bit of female attention you'd let her chop your arms off to get it.

Neither of us were there so we don't know. I've had vans pull out on me without indicating. I've not crashed, but that has been down to luck rather than any great driving skill on my part. Today on the motorway I went past a van weaving out of his lane, onto the hard shoulder etc because he was on his phone. So while I was overtaking him, had he weaved the other way, without any form of indication, would I have been a bad driver if I'd have hit him?

[Purple Dalek]

That is the impression I get - seems like she was in lane 2 doing the 60 mark, trucks doing 50 in lane 1. Not sure if the van driver was aware of what he caused - looks like he got away with it though as the police on the phone did not mention any other calls

Why would they? She's 100% responsible.

Truth be known she was probably putting her make-up on and then noticed the traffic had slowed, then after the accident made up some story to cover her stupidity.

She wasn't crying because of what someone said, but because she stuck herself with the mascara stick.

[Purple Dalek]

It could also be that the van in question simply pulled into her braking gap, causing her to slam on the brakes and lose control of her car. You don't know if she was hogging the lane or being undertaken - she might have been travelling along only to have a van pull out on her because the car/van/lorry in front of the van was going 1mph too slow.

And she didn't notice someone overtaking her up the inside and get prepared to brake if they did something silly? Lack of care and attention yet again. The reality is you'd actually rear end anyone who really did it too quick.

It is fairly simple, she can't drive and shouldn't be on the roads.

You lot seem so desperate for a bit of female attention you'd let her chop your arms off to get it.

[Wilmslow]

It could also be that the van in question simply pulled into her braking gap, causing her to slam on the brakes and lose control of her car. You don't know if she was hogging the lane or being undertaken - she might have been travelling along only to have a van pull out on her because the car/van/lorry in front of the van was going 1mph too slow.

That is the impression I get - seems like she was in lane 2 doing the 60 mark, trucks doing 50 in lane 1. Not sure if the van driver was aware of what he caused - looks like he got away with it though as the police on the phone did not mention any other calls

[BoredBloke]

If she got undertaken by a van then she must have been travelling in an inappropriate lane. I hope you pointed that out to her.

It could also be that the van in question simply pulled into her braking gap, causing her to slam on the brakes and lose control of her car. You don't know if she was hogging the lane or being undertaken - she might have been travelling along only to have a van pull out on her because the car/van/lorry in front of the van was going 1mph too slow.

[Doggy Styles]

I believe undertaking is legal where the traffic is queuing anyway.

But if it were queuing, she would have been travelling so fast.

[SantaClaus]

Good point, it certainly wasn't wreckless driving.

Although I think the driver should try to wreck less cars in future.

[BrilloPad]

If she got undertaken by a van then she must have been travelling in an inappropriate lane. I hope you pointed that out to her.

I believe undertaking is legal where the traffic is queuing anyway.

[Alf W]

From what the lass said, a van undertook, cut her up, and she was braking to avoid hitting the van.

If she got undertaken by a van then she must have been travelling in an inappropriate lane. I hope you pointed that out to her.

[Doggy Styles]

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Good point, it certainly wasn't wreckless driving.

[BrilloPad]

Yes Brillo, the dilemma was to drive on by, or to stop and check if a life needed saving to be frank about things! Traffic was very slow, hence decided on checking out the driver.

Thankfully all was well, but, humanity dictates we need to do the right thing. Probably not the smartest decision I made to be honest, but, you do what you think is right.

From what the lass said, a van undertook, cut her up, and she was braking to avoid hitting the van. Her car was old (V reg Corsa) hence did not have ABS and she wiped out.

I think its very dangerous to stop in outside lane - no matter how slow traffic is.

Definetly a job for the babylon.....

[ratewhore]

Driving along the M62, find a car perched in the middle of the crash barrier – the type made of metal wire and stumps.

The petrol tank area was squarely on the top of the stump.

Stopped next to the car, the only motorist bothered to stop, and check the condition of the driver – everyone just kept going.

Turns out she had to brake for a van cutting her up, and from 60 to 0 in a couple of seconds and she skidded all over the motorway.

Took a judgement call and suggested she got out of the car due to the risk of a fuel leak. Thankfully she was walking away completely unscathed.

A van driver going past yells ‘Oh, well done’ – at this point she burst into tears, very understandably.

Really does make you think when you not just see this as you go past, but when you see the impact wreckless driving had on people.

Hence sat in the office with a jumper on, still trying to get warm!

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