Reply to: BT thumped

[the_duderama]

FFS - does anyone work anywhere else 'round here?

Nope - me too, although they've just extended my contract from october for 6 months, god bless the public sector!

[EqualOpportunities]

Believe me if they get rid of contract staff in this division the permies will be screwed...

Same here.

Working for the Global Services at the moment, just found out that my expected 6 month extension is now 3 months, ends just before the end of the financial year, there's a surprise..

Have to agree that if they got rid of the contractors on our team, they'd be screwed as there would be no one left.

Yup.

Same here!

FFS - does anyone work anywhere else 'round here?

[Alf W]

Split to be

6000 Contractors, Consultants and Agency staff
4000 Permies

[deano]

A lot of big companies (I worked for one of the "big 5" high street banks until Feb.) do this sort of thing. They are making positons redundant, so if there are a few thousand current vacancies (not out of the question in a company like BT) that are being advertised either internally or externally, then these will be pulled and the position deemed redundant. So the chances are these 10,000 will not actually involve anything like that that number of staff leaving.

These companies will cull staff, then suddenly realise that they can't resource the projects they want to and then recruit again. The way large companies are structured these days, the only metric that is used by (and against) project managers is that of "time-to-market". They are measured against how quick the projects is delivered. Not against money (because they, nor anyone else below the top couple of tiers knows the true cost of anything), and not against functionality delivered (because that's too hard to measure objectively). So the middle-managers responsible for delivering projects only have delivering to an (in the main) artificial deadline on their mind, and that means staff. Ergo, they will eventually need bodies so they can meet their objectives (and get promotion over the other weenies). They just haven't realised this yet.

[Sausage Surprise]

I'm a BT contractor and I've just had an email to say that 4000 have already been culled or left earlier in the year - so it's down to 6000 already.

[voodooflux]

Nokia Siemens Networks has completed the preliminary planning process to identify the proposed remaining headcount reductions necessary to reach its previously announced synergy-related headcount adjustment goal.

Bingo!

[PRC1964]

At least they aren't announcing "synergy-related headcount restructuring" unlike Nokia Siemens.

This press release is a leading contender for the bulltulip speak of the year award. http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/...tructuring.htm

The first sentence is a classic.

Nokia Siemens Networks has completed the preliminary planning process to identify the proposed remaining headcount reductions necessary to reach its previously announced synergy-related headcount adjustment goal.

[ace00]

Originally Posted by ace00
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BT is reliant on contractors because it doesn't have multi skilled emplyees in house. .

Anyone with a functioning brain.

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[badger7579]

Originally Posted by ace00
BT said the move was aimed at reducing its dependence on consultants and contractors.

BT is reliant on contractors because it doesn't have multi skilled emplyees in house. Their environment is so regimented and each person does their little bit. They dont have multiskilled people to be used in Global services so they need the contractors.

[badger7579]

BT said the move was aimed at reducing its dependence on consultants and contractors.

That's you lot. It's all your fault.

It’s your exorbitant rates that’s caused thisitan

[Purple Dalek]

BT said the move was aimed at reducing its dependence on consultants and contractors.

That's you lot. It's all your fault.

Well, it makes a pleasant change from the whining about being dependent on their customers.

[ace00]

BT said the move was aimed at reducing its dependence on consultants and contractors.

That's you lot. It's all your fault.

[BoredBloke]

Working for the Global Services at the moment, just found out that my expected 6 month extension is now 3 months, ends just before the end of the financial year, there's a surprise..

Have to agree that if they got rid of the contractors on our team, they'd be screwed as there would be no one left.

Same here!

[scorchio]

Working for the Global Services at the moment, just found out that my expected 6 month extension is now 3 months, ends just before the end of the financial year, there's a surprise..

Have to agree that if they got rid of the contractors on our team, they'd be screwed as there would be no one left.

[badger7579]

"Telecoms group BT says it expects to have cut 10,000 jobs by the end of the financial year.

The cuts will mainly affect agency and contract staff and offshore workers, the company said."


I'd call that Doomed.

Believe me if they get rid of contract staff in this division the permies will be screwed...