Reply to: Oh Dear: MI5 says civil liberties have to be eroded

[WageSlave]

bring back the birch!

Bring back the cat 'o ninetails!

Bring back the noose!

That'll teach 'em...

Mmmmm, sounds like the average evening at the WageSlave house

[WageSlave]

Is this when they start screwing over everyone else because they haven't got the stones or are too PC to go for the islamic nutters that should be strung up????

It certainly seems that way. The irony is that we are both under policed and over policed. We are subject to increasing levels of legislation; a new law for this, new law for that. Yet are we really any safer as a result? Of course not. The country was much safer in 1951 but we surely had fewer laws. The current culture of over legislation is an attempt to paper over the cracks in our society and disguise the root cause.

The problem is that in our modern society we don't know how to behave properly, and legislation is an attempt to force the issue. Unfortunately for us, being white and middle class makes us the easy target. You can't pursue ethnic or religious minorities as that's not PC. The result? You can maintain an Islamic website showing British soldiers and civilians being murdered, but you can’t maintain a website with nude people doing rude things to each other. You can roam the streets and batter old grannies to death but you can’t avoid paying Hector his due.

[AtW]

Won't be a big loss mate.

[Lucifer Box]

AtW, if you carry on like you're in a video game, you can expect to lose the odd life or two.

[AtW]

Don't like M16 -- give me MP5 (silenced) any time and no save points bullcrap -- saving should be possible at any point and quick loads is a must

[Lucifer Box]

A bit like the dangerous dogs legislation. There's nothing that pleases the Daily Mail readers more than a nice bit of shoot-from-the-hip legislation.

I still like guns though...

[AtW]

You needed a firearms certificate (approval of which had to be given by the local plod) and, unless you were a nutter or had a history of mental illness, you were unlikely to be granted one.

Yes I know, it was very very strict, but the guy who shot kids in the school had legit guns, which is why they turned on EVERYBODY, and naturally populist politicians promising crackdown on a minority owning guns certainly gain votes. Scumbags.

[Lucifer Box]

Before 1996 it was perfectly legal to own a handgun, own but not carry around -- this is pretty reasonable arrangement, but thanks to some tw@t who shot kids in that school (and like he could not have done the same if he really wanted now) and NL populism guns were confiscated without even compensation to owners. And what's the most funny is that gun crime actually increased by like 100% in the last 8 years. And who are the people who actually shooting? Are they ex-legal owners of handguns? In almost all, if not all cases ain't. A guy who has a family, owns a house, got stable work won't just go and blow people's heads.

Hold it there, Tex. You needed a firearms certificate (approval of which had to be given by the local plod) and, unless you were a nutter or had a history of mental illness, you were unlikely to be granted one.

[AtW]

What do you mean, brought them back? Were they commonplace over here once?

Before 1996 it was perfectly legal to own a handgun, own but not carry around -- this is pretty reasonable arrangement, but thanks to some tw@t who shot kids in that school (and like he could not have done the same if he really wanted now) and NL populism guns were confiscated without even compensation to owners. And what's the most funny is that gun crime actually increased by like 100% in the last 8 years. And who are the people who actually shooting? Are they ex-legal owners of handguns? In almost all, if not all cases ain't. A guy who has a family, owns a house, got stable work won't just go and blow people's heads.

[vista]

Deary Deary me

Is this when they start screwing over everyone else because they haven't got the stones or are too PC to go for the islamic nutters that should be strung up????

Is the new rationale lock up all those that aren't suicide bombers then all the innocent people will be safely locked up inside and only the 'minority, bless 'em love'em islamic nutters will be free to roam the country?

Should we expect a major increase in motoring fines in response to the terrorist threat or just massive tax hikes for middle England (and I use a capital E with a doubt that the country and its inhabitants deserve it anymore).

[sappatz]

Mi5

latest news is that tony Blair hired Saddam Hussein as security advisor.

[Lucifer Box]

I like guns.

[WageSlave]

Until 1921 anyone could own a gun in this country.

How the **** do you people know so much about guns? Is this some kind of Orange County Klan meet

[Joe Bloggs]

Lack of written Constitution is not helping.

Well, if it weren't for those cheese eating surrender monkeys, the Dutch and the French, then we would have probably had one by now, and could be safe in the knowledge that the EU was on our side, rather than Messr's Blair.

[wendigo100]

Its much harder for a tyrant to get to power when population is armed with serious guns -- I would have voted NL if they brought back handguns.

What do you mean, brought them back? Were they commonplace over here once?