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Previously on "British energy in the hands of the French state ..."
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Originally posted by expat View PostPerhaps we should have adopted it with a caveat that enterprises owned by other governments could not own any of ours?
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Originally posted by TimberWolf View PostBut can the UK private sector create/attract boffins - or competent people?The criticism of the Chief Inspector of Nuclear Installations was withering: “The Plant was operated in a culture that seemed to allow instruments to operate in alarm mode rather than questioning the alarm and rectifying the relevant fault.”
Edit: but I would blame management at least as much, for letting it happen.
...and the operators were in the habit of ignoring safety alarms anyway.Last edited by expat; 25 September 2008, 08:12.
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Originally posted by The Lone Gunman View PostThe French are breaking EU rules every day on foreign ownership. It is only the UK that has adopted EU law carte blanche.
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Originally posted by Peoplesoft bloke View PostI like the French. They still have some respect for their own country. They'd never let a British Company take over EDF, unlike our sell-out governments who will sell anything to any spiv who comes along.
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Originally posted by Peoplesoft bloke View PostEh? We built 'em in the fifties - and the only reason the Windscale fire happened was because the politicians demanded more plut for weapons.
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Originally posted by thunderlizard View PostLet's not start suggesting that Electricité de France is a French company. You can get into trouble for doing that:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4462162.stm
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Originally posted by Peoplesoft bloke View PostEh? We built 'em in the fifties - and the only reason the Windscale fire happened was because the politicians demanded more plut for weapons.
The THORP reprocessing facility at Sellafield, built in 1994 at a cost of £1.8 billion, had a growing leak from a broken pipe from August 2004 to April 2005. Over eight months, the leak let 85 thousand litres of uranium-rich fluid flow into a sump which was equipped with safety systems that were designed to detect immediately any leak of as little as 15 litres. But the leak went undetected because the operators hadn’t completed the checks that ensured the safety systems were working; and the operators were in the habit of ignoring safety alarms anyway.
The safety system came with belt and braces. Independent of the failed safety alarms, routine safety-measurements of fluids in the sump should have detected the abnormal presence of uranium within one month of the start of the leak; but the operators often didn’t bother taking these routine measurements, because they felt too busy; and when they did take measurements that detected the abnormal presence of uranium in the sump (on 28 August 2004, 26 November 2004, and 24 February 2005), no action was taken.
By April 2005, 22 tons of uranium had leaked, but still none of the leak-detection systems detected the leak. The leak was finally detected by accountancy, when the bean-counters noticed that they were getting 10% less uranium out than their clients claimed they’d put in! Thank goodness this private company had a profit motive, hey? The criticism of the Chief Inspector of Nuclear Installations was withering: “The Plant was operated in a culture that seemed to allow instruments to operate in alarm mode
rather than questioning the alarm and rectifying the relevant fault.”
If we let private companies build new reactors, how can we ensure that higher safety standards are adhered to? I don’t know.
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They own our water, half our motorway bridges. half our gas supplies, so why not our electricity as well?
That villa in the south of France is looking ever sweeter
(and I'll be on the winning side)
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Careful now!
Let's not start suggesting that Electricité de France is a French company. You can get into trouble for doing that:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4462162.stm
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Originally posted by Peoplesoft bloke View PostEh? We built 'em in the fifties - and the only reason the Windscale fire happened was because the politicians demanded more plut for weapons.
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Originally posted by TimberWolf View PostYeah, it's nuts, but not as nuts as if we tried to build our own nuclear reactors...BOOM!
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Originally posted by Peoplesoft bloke View PostI like the French. They still have some respect for their own country. They'd never let a British Company take over EDF, unlike our sell-out governments who will sell anything to any spiv who comes along.
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Ah, but did anybody here the CEO of EDF on PM this evening.
He was asked, twice, and avoided both times:
"If this was the other way around and a large British company was buying all of France's nuclear power generation, do you think the French government would allow it?"
Now, we all know the answer to this really. And even if they did, the Unions would scuper it. The French have their own set of rules, and the rest of us have to live with that!!
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