Reply to: Millipede, Sarko, Merkel - Shut it!

[Cyberman]

Erm.

Anytime you like. Anyone else?

<tumbleweed>

Unless you or I were actually there we have no proof, and if you do not know that the witnesses are actually genuine, you and I may be wrong to believe them.
I just have more faith in witnesses of a democratic state than those of a totalitarian state that has a track record of political shenanigans.

The fact that the EU are now considering sanctions seems to bear testimony to Russia being somewhat culpable, and as we have seen throughout history Russia has a habit of exerting force on any neighbours wishing to follow routes of independence (eg: Chechnya, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Ukraine and now it appears sadly, Georgia).

The further fact that Russia is reluctant to leave Georgia and also blew up oil pipelines nowhere near the dispute gives further credence to my belief that the whole event was orchestrated by the Russians.

[realityhack]

South Ossetia were rocketing Georgia for weeks with Russian help before Georgia naively retaliated.

Were they? Any reasonably unbiased and authoritative links to back that up?

Do you have any links re the above? Would be interesting.

Erm. Thanks for that. Do you have any other links? News agencies, for example? Not sure about the authority of this blog. Quoting your own posts isn't really proof of anything.

Honestly, I would be interested to see evidence of S Ossetia firing rockets at Georgia for weeks prior to their military action, and would appreciate links that support this.

I understand you're busy - I'm not going to take posts by random people on a random Georgian blog as a relatively unbiased source. I'm looking for news reports, AP, newswires, Beeb, FT, that kind of thing. Did a quick search myself but nothing that backs up what you're saying.

It would be interesting if you're right. It's up to you to support your claims with objective sources.

Whenever you have the time, CyberMan.

Erm.

Anytime you like. Anyone else?

<tumbleweed>

[Flashman]

Can't take this Mr Bean look-alike seriously, lately posturing in Ukraine. Are we trying to fan the flames of a new war? What is he doing there - apart from furthering his own political career, until he realises what a political dwarf he is - is it encouraging Ukraine to do what Georgia has done? Or creating a diversion for the failure of his Gov't ?

How dare you have a go at David Miliband!!
Remember that treaty of Lisbon we signed?

Article 24. 3. states " The Member States shall support the Union's external and security policy actively and unreservedly in a spirit of loyalty and mutual solidarity and shall comply with the Union's action in this area".

David Miliband is just following instructions from his colleagues in Brussels, its not his fault !

mad

[ace00]

Can't take this Mr Bean look-alike seriously, lately posturing in Ukraine. Are we trying to fan the flames of a new war? What is he doing there - apart from furthering his own political career, until he realises what a political dwarf he is - is it encouraging Ukraine to do what Georgia has done? Or creating a diversion for the failure of his Gov't ?

I figured it out. Obvious really. Job application innit. Top spot vacancy coming up shortly. Look forward to election battle of the Daves. Dave Vs. Dave.

Regarding who started it debate - Russia of course. As any armchair general knows. Started, Managed, Finished. Well run project IMO with minimal casualties.

[TinTin]

Millipede

Can't take this Mr Bean look-alike seriously, lately posturing in Ukraine. Are we trying to fan the flames of a new war? What is he doing there - apart from furthering his own political career, until he realises what a political dwarf he is - is it encouraging Ukraine to do what Georgia has done? Or creating a diversion for the failure of his Gov't ?

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Don't hold your breath. He's taken over joint leadership of the CUK Village Idiots club together with Incognito.

He's too busy coming up with the brilliant and witty term "nitwit" for me to bother with any facts to back up his ridiculous claims. Situation normal.

[Incognito]

Don't hold your breath. He's taken over joint leadership of the CUK Village Idiots club together with Incognito.

Unfortunately you took lifetime ownership of that award a long time ago. I can produce some more slanted research if you want me to back up my statement? That seems to be how you discuss points Sas.

[sasguru]

Whenever you have the time, CyberMan.

Don't hold your breath. He's taken over joint leadership of the CUK Village Idiots club together with Incognito.

[realityhack]

Whenever you have the time, CyberMan.

[realityhack]

Read through the linked bloggers site... there are many other posters..... and make your own mind up. Sorry but I have other work to do.
I have also posted on my previous thread that you can now see, and it appears that unfortunately what I predicted is actually materialising.

I understand you're busy - I'm not going to take posts by random people on a random Georgian blog as a relatively unbiased source. I'm looking for news reports, AP, newswires, Beeb, FT, that kind of thing. Did a quick search myself but nothing that backs up what you're saying.

It would be interesting if you're right. It's up to you to support your claims with objective sources.

[Cyberman]

Erm. Thanks for that. Do you have any other links? News agencies, for example? Not sure about the authority of this blog. Quoting your own posts isn't really proof of anything.

Honestly, I would be interested to see evidence of S Ossetia firing rockets at Georgia for weeks prior to their military action, and would appreciate links that support this.

Read through the linked bloggers site... there are many other posters..... and make your own mind up. Sorry but I have other work to do.
I have also posted on my previous thread that you can now see, and it appears that unfortunately what I predicted is actually materialising.

[realityhack]

Start with this from a post of mine a few weeks ago:


The latest news from my Georgian friend right now is that the Russians have invaded Georgia from the sea ...Oh dear !!!

Also, Georgia attacked Ossetia after attack from Ossetia.... read this blog from a fighter.... so Russia apparently DID instigate this war:

http://www.dgiuri.com/

Erm. Thanks for that. Do you have any other links? News agencies, for example? Not sure about the authority of this blog. Quoting your own posts isn't really proof of anything.

Honestly, I would be interested to see evidence of S Ossetia firing rockets at Georgia for weeks prior to their military action, and would appreciate links that support this.

[Cyberman]

This is a post from my link to a Georgian Bloggers site:


Sunday, August 10, 2008
Status of war

Okay people, I can't tell you where I am right now but I will try to post some info from our, georgian side.

Everything began on 7th of August, when South Ossetian forces started fire towards georgian villages.

Our answer was to ceise fire - what did not happened, so georgian forces began to move into South Ossetian territory to stop the separatists.

That night georgian forces occupied Tskhinvali and the fire was stopped.

Kokoity and his administration flew to village of Djava under protection of russian peacekeepers.

Another day - 8th of August russian troops started to invade South Ossetia and at the same time to bomb some military and civilian targets across Georgia - towns of Gori, Senaki, Zugdidi, port of Poti and numerous georgian military bases, as well as Tskhinvali itself.

Georgian official losses - 40 soldiers and 17 civilians.

Today's situation:

Abkhazia attacked Kodori and thereby opened a second war front for Georgia.

This morning at 7 AM russian aircraft bombed an aircraft factory near Airport of Tbilisi.

More than 300 tanks and 10 000 soldiers of the russian 58th army (NOT peacekeepers) are now in South Ossetia and they plan to attack Zugdidi in western Georgia.

This is an undeclared war.

[Cyberman]

I'm quite open minded about all this actually. Do you have any links re the above? Would be interesting.

Start with this from a post of mine a few weeks ago:


The latest news from my Georgian friend right now is that the Russians have invaded Georgia from the sea ...Oh dear !!!

Also, Georgia attacked Ossetia after attack from Ossetia.... read this blog from a fighter.... so Russia apparently DID instigate this war:

http://www.dgiuri.com/

[ratewhore]

...Russia will back down once it sees that Nato actually mean business.

I was with you up to that point. I personally cannot see NATO, any other international institution or indeed, any nation, doing anything other than 'strongly condemn' Russia. They may get really peeved and follow up the condemnation with diplomatic posturing (i.e. I'm not talking to you right now). I certainly cannot see them pursuing any form of military action.