Reply to: Plane slips off runway in Madrid

[realityhack]

We really should stop joking around and realise the gravity of the situation.

[realityhack]

You know, I think it's more than a coincidence that Victor Hugo once described puns as 'the excrement of wit in flight'.

[Xenophon]

Get your coat....floor level lighting will lead you to the nearest exit which may be behind you.

[Advocate]

Yeah. I think we let ourselves runway with things too much...

Get your coat....floor level lighting will lead you to the nearest exit which may be behind you.

[Xenophon]

The puns tend to be better alerion, and drop in quality as we continue...

Yeah. I think we let ourselves runway with things too much...

[realityhack]

The puns tend to be better alerion, and drop in quality as we continue...

[realityhack]

I guess we're all great at thinking out-of-the-black-box.

[Xenophon]

Pull the rudder one...

Oh dear... here we go again... do we have no taste?

Seemingly no taste at all.

This is an air-brained idea if ever I heard one. Having said that, the sky's the limit when it comes to puns.

[realityhack]

Yeah.

Or should i say Yaw.

IGMC...

Pull the rudder one...

Oh dear... here we go again... do we have no taste?

[Xenophon]

Funny that - me too. Great minds and all that eh, eh?

Yeah.

Or should i say Yaw.

IGMC...

[realityhack]

I was just about to post the exact same thing.

Funny that - me too. Great minds and all that eh, eh?

[ASB]

Indeed - and I wonder why people seem to think that it's worse on a rear engined plane than one with the engines on the wings? (I don't pretend to know if it is or isn't - but the two engines are certainly further apart if there's one on each wing)

I would think it might actually be better on a rear engined plane. The issue would surely be the rotational force in relation to the centre of yaw. I would imagine this is greater with wing mounted engines.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

I imagine that full thrust on only one engine when in mid air is a bit like flying in a strong cross wind. When the wheels are still on the ground it won't work that way.

Indeed - and I wonder why people seem to think that it's worse on a rear engined plane than one with the engines on the wings? (I don't pretend to know if it is or isn't - but the two engines are certainly further apart if there's one on each wing)

[Sysman]

My understanding is that complete loss of thrust on one side of a rear engined jet especially whilst the other side is at full thrust can make it incredibly difficult to control (even though it should have enough thrust for take-off).

I imagine that full thrust on only one engine when in mid air is a bit like flying in a strong cross wind. When the wheels are still on the ground it won't work that way.

[ASB]

I was just about to post the exact same thing.

Current reports *seem* to indicate it had left the ground. As such he was certainly post V1. So the go around should have been possible. However with an expiring engine - an explosion had been reported - is is quite possible that control systems had been severely damaged by the bits of shrapnel. I'm sure the late captain did the right things and his best, but sadly in a stricken airliner most bets are off.