Reply to: News article on Poverty

[lambrini_socialist]

I just have a problem with the non working underclass. The tax system should work better for those who want to work, but it shouldn't reward the lazy who don't.

if people want to drop out of the rat-race and decide that the traditional work-ethic is bullsh!t, i for one do not mind subsidising them within reasonable limits. partly because i reckon it's a perfectly legitimate lifestyle choice, and partly because it winds up whining tax bores like you lot.

Let's pull the working class out of poverty by not taxing them so heavily

fine - and let's raise the minimum wage while we're at it. being paid **** all at a preferential rate of income tax still adds up to **** all.

[Cheshire Cat]

Maybe it's time to define a new "benefit-class" in order to give them a kicking.

[Bagpuss]

sure, fine, but that's not what you originally wrote.

I'm failing to see what your point is, the use of scumbag estates was not meant to mean everyone who lives there is a scumbag, I just have a problem with the non working underclass. The tax system should work better for those who want to work, but it shouldn't reward the lazy who don't. Let's pull the working class out of poverty by not taxing them so heavily, the lazy can't and shouldn't expect >18k a year IMO. If you can work but don't you deserve to be in 'poverty', although it's anything but.

[lambrini_socialist]

If you're paraphrasing Thatch, I think it was anyone over the age of 30.

I got the bus on Sunday, but then I'm 29

loser!

(i'm 29 tomorrow and bloody miserable about it.)

[Cheshire Cat]

you're a scumbag based on where you live. you're not "decent" if you claim benefits. and let me guess, there's no such thing as society and anyone over the age of 20 who uses public transport should consider themselves a failure, right?

If you're paraphrasing Thatch, I think it was anyone over the age of 30.

I got the bus on Sunday, but then I'm 29

[lambrini_socialist]

If you decide to scrounge as a career rather than work then yes you are in my book a scumbag who has decided to drop out of responsible society.

sure, fine, but that's not what you originally wrote.

The other two points are your own.

sorry, i was just being silly, resorting to self-parody with a couple of Mrs T quotes. unfortunately Lucy has got all confused and thinks it's about busses and stuff.

[Bagpuss]

you're a scumbag based on where you live. you're not "decent" if you claim benefits. and let me guess, there's no such thing as society and anyone over the age of 20 who uses public transport should consider themselves a failure, right?

If you decide to scrounge as a career rather than work then yes you are in my book a scumbag who has decided to drop out of responsible society. I suppose you think it's ok to take take take and give nothing back? apart from raise some feral kids who cause havoc and again contribute nothing to society. Do you think working class people support these actions? Because if you do, you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

The other two points are your own.

[Lucy]

lame!

It's a good thing you have scummy buses then, isn't it?

[lambrini_socialist]

Nope, just you.

lame!

[Lucy]

anyone over the age of 20 who uses public transport should consider themselves a failure, right?

Nope, just you.

[lambrini_socialist]

They went to this scumbag estate, and while there were some decent working people, most were on benefits.

you're a scumbag based on where you live. you're not "decent" if you claim benefits. and let me guess, there's no such thing as society and anyone over the age of 20 who uses public transport should consider themselves a failure, right?

[Bagpuss]

well it's got all the usual recurring themes:

- mistrust of foreigners
- poor equals lazy
- working class equals scumbag
- hoodie hysteria
- shrill Daily Mail hyperbole ("they think stealing motorbikes and cars is normal")
- look what they gone done with my taxes

a classic!

Where was I talking about the working class? I'm talking about benefit scroungers who don't work, they ARE NOT working class!

and please point me to the mistrust of foreigners, one of my drinking buddies is a Pole, nice chap, I trust him more than most, AFAIC he's welcome to be here.

Re the stealing motorbikes: I was quoting a teacher of a local school who spoke on this BBC interview about the children she has to work with.

[lambrini_socialist]

I'd rather massively increase benefits to the childless in the hope they won't breed.

enforced sterilisation programmes FTW!

[DiscoStu]

Could we pull the benefits of the childless? Or will that encourage them to breed?

I'd rather massively increase benefits to the childless in the hope they won't breed.

[lambrini_socialist]

Why is it a parody? Please explain.

well it's got all the usual recurring themes:

- mistrust of foreigners
- poor equals lazy
- working class equals scumbag
- hoodie hysteria
- shrill Daily Mail hyperbole ("they think stealing motorbikes and cars is normal")
- look what they gone done with my taxes

a classic!