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Previously on "Australia. The Right To Leave"

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  • Mailman
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    If they wish to migrate here and raise a family, what is the point of bringing their children up in their own culture? Surely they should be bringing the child up in our culture.
    Who said they werent? I think you are making a generalisation about something you have no idea about.

    I think you will find that the majority of immigrants who then raise children who were born in this country will have more problems with their children if they have no idea where they come from (because they have lost contact with their cultural identity).

    Mailman

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  • Mindomoo
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    I disagree

    Originally posted by Mailman
    I have no problems with people who bring their culture with them, especially if they have kids. Mailman
    To my mind that is worse.

    If they wish to migrate here and raise a family, what is the point of bringing their children up in their own culture? Surely they should be bringing the child up in our culture.

    At least if it relates to adults with no family they are only inflicting non-integration on themselves and not on the net generation

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  • The Lone Gunman
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    Originally posted by Rebecca Loos
    Rebecca in "PMT" mode
    Never trust anything that can bleed for a week and not die!

    I was wondering what the response of the board would be, rather than being interested in the debate, just wanted to confirm what I already believe.

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  • dozer
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    the original

    There are a few things that recent arrivals to our country, and apparently some Native Americans, should understand.
    It is not our responsibility to continually try not to offend you in any way. This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity.

    As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture, called the "American Way" has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

    Our forefathers fought, bled, and died at places such as Bunker Hill, Antietam, San Juan, Iwo Jima, Normandy, Korea, and Vietnam.

    We speak English, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society - learn our language!

    In God We Trust is our national motto. This is not some off-the-wall, Christian, Right Wing, or otherwise political slogan - it is our national motto. It is engraved in stone in the House of Representatives in our Capitol and it is printed on our currency. We adopted this motto because religious men and women, with religious principles, founded this nation and this is clearly documented throughout our history. If it is appropriate for our motto to be inscribed in the halls of our highest level of Government, then it is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.

    God is in our pledge, our National Anthem, nearly every patriotic song, and in our founding documents. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture and we are proud to have Him.

    We are proud of our heritage and those who have so honorably defended our freedoms. We celebrate Independence Day, Memorial Day, Veterans Day, and Flag Day. We have parades, picnics, and barbecues where we proudly wave our flag.

    As Americans, we have the right to wave our flag, sing our national anthem, quote our national motto, and cite our pledge whenever and wherever we choose. If the Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

    The American culture is our way of life, our heritage, and we are proud of it. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. Like it or not, this is our country, our land, and our lifestyle.. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion about our government, culture, or society, and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. Once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom: THE RIGHT TO LEAVE!

    To those who complain about the usage of words like 'God' and 'American' and speaking the language of our great nation, Go TO ANOTHER COUNTRY AND SPEAK AGAINST WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE. YOU WILL MORE THAN LIKELY END UP JAILED OR EVEN KILLED.

    In America, you take your right to complain for granted. The more patriotism that is removed from where our children are taught, the less our children will learn about what it is to be an American and our nation's spirit will slowly be killed. Keep patriotism alive!

    If you agree, pass this on to other Americans! It is time we take a stand!

    God Bless America, Our Military, and Our Veterans of All Wars!

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  • Rebecca Loos
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    did you want a debate or some racist tulip vs some tree-hugging crap?

    Rebecca in "PMT" mode

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  • The Lone Gunman
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    Does it matter where it comes from?

    It is the sentiment expressed that was I hoping would start some debate!

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  • Rebecca Loos
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    thought so too.. unless god is a misspelt of 'beach'

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  • dozer
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    in god we trust? in oz?

    looks like some edited american chain email

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  • Mailman
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    Originally posted by The Lone Gunman
    What he, and I, object to are those who not only wish to migrate, but wish to bring their ways with them AND inflict them on thier hosts.
    I have no problems with people who bring their culture with them, especially if they have kids.

    What I DO have problems with...is when they expect you to follow their customs in your country or when they try to "inflict" their beliefs on to you (ie. no christmas tree's or celebrations etc).

    Mailman

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  • snaw
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    Originally posted by The Lone Gunman
    BTW. I find the Scots, Irish and Welsh do a lot more whinging than the English, the rest of the world cant tell us apart so say the English whinge a lot.
    Nope, the English win that race hands down. No contest. And from my experience the rest of the world (Outside of the US) has absolutely no problem telling us apart.

    While we share traits in common from having a shared upbringing (Telly, papers, football) I personally think the 'minority' countries in the UK have very different world outlooks and viewpoints, and very different characteristics. Although the northern English probably come close on some counts.

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  • The Lone Gunman
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    Originally posted by snaw
    Human nature I guess. Brits do it overseas .......
    As an expat I had this conversation with Adolf, a German friend of mine.
    He said there is a distinct difference between those working abroad for a short period and those wishing to migrate on a more permanent basis.
    The temporaries are welcome as long as they behave as good guests.
    The migrants are welcome as long as they adapt to the predominant culture.
    What he, and I, object to are those who not only wish to migrate, but wish to bring their ways with them AND inflict them on thier hosts.

    BTW. I find the Scots, Irish and Welsh do a lot more whinging than the English, the rest of the world cant tell us apart so say the English whinge a lot.

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  • SupremeSpod
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    (got wispered about for starting to weed the garden on a Sunday once, and a girly even mentioned it in a bar months later.)
    "Ere, aren't you that fat ugly fecker who was weeding his garden the other Sunday?"

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  • threaded
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    snaw: I go out of my way to avoid the British ex-pat community, they really are dire most of them, agree they do whinge terribly, and you can well understand why they need some other way to socialise.

    I feel I get on quite well when in Holland, I find them most friendly and sociable. Have to say though the area I spend most of my time in is a quite religious community (got wispered about for starting to weed the garden on a Sunday once, and a girly even mentioned it in a bar months later.)

    The Scandinavians are really quite intolerant, for all the veneer of tolerance. Speak the language though and they are fine. Though there are a good few politicians cashing in on them that refuse to work and refuse to learn the language. And when you get in a Roskilde taxi and want to be taken to Roskilde Cathedral and the taxi driver doesn't know where it is, that sort of plays into the extremists hands.

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  • snaw
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    Originally posted by threaded
    I really don't understand why these people who go to other countries want to hang on to their own culture. If what they left was so superior, why did they leave it? Also, why do some seem to go out of their way to antagonise their hosts by absolutely refusing to integrate, going so far as point blank refusing to learn the language?
    Human nature I guess. Brits do it overseas (Spain, Aus, almost any major city has a big ex-pat Brit community). Go down Earl's court and spot a non-Antipodeon.

    I've done it myself for different reason's; In holland cause the Dutch plain just don't want to meet new friends (Superficially friendly as they are), in Aus cause I needed some fellow football fanatics, in America cause the seppo mindset is pretty hard to relate too. Not that I was exclusively ex-pat but until you've been in thier shoes then I'd hold back from judging too harshly.

    Though I'd agree on the critisism part - if you don't like it, leave. But then again, I've never experienced a bigger bunch of whingers anywhere in the world than the English

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  • hyperD
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    Imagine writing that here...

    Good for the Ozzies - sounds like the right type of attitude there unlike this sick place run by the pinkos.

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