Reply to: UK Database of ALL phone calls and emails

[bogeyman]

David Cameron?

Oh dear!

Are you some sort of lefty?

[KathyWoolfe]

How are they going to be able to monitor chat room exchanges?

Or even bulletin board messages like this one.......

[ratewhore]

Precisely Marina!

It's not the hapless clown in power you need to fear, it's the total maniac that comes after him.

David Cameron?

[bogeyman]

Hindenburg was a good person, if a bit smug and geriatric, and he agreed to let Hitler & Co into government, believing along with his colleagues that "the little corporal" could be controlled.

Marcus Tullius Cicero was a good person, if a bit smug and long-winded, and he agreed to support Octavian, believing along with his colleagues that "the boy" could be controlled.

If I knew more history I've no doubt a dozen similar examples could be given of well-meaning people being elbowed aside by bold and ruthless interlopers, and lets not forget Brown and colleagues are craven, cowardly, insecure gits and almost certainly being pushed into this by the EU or even the US.

Precisely Marina!

It's not the hapless clown in power you need to fear, it's the total maniac that comes after him.

[Marina]

I pointed out that the jews in Germany in 1938 had done nothing wrong, but it didn't help them much.

She countered that Gordon Brown was a good person, whereas Hitler & co were evil, so my argument was nonsense.

I must admit I was rather floored by that one.

Hindenburg was a good person, if a bit smug and geriatric, and he agreed to let Hitler & Co into government, believing along with his colleagues that "the little corporal" could be controlled.

Marcus Tullius Cicero was a good person, if a bit smug and long-winded, and he agreed to support Octavian, believing along with his colleagues that "the boy" could be controlled.

If I knew more history I've no doubt a dozen similar examples could be given of well-meaning people being elbowed aside by bold and ruthless interlopers, and lets not forget Brown and colleagues are craven, cowardly, insecure gits and almost certainly being pushed into this by the EU or even the US.

[bogeyman]

f4j used that method alot - as far as we could tell never intercepted.

Old spy trick:

Wrap the letter in two sheets of old fashioned carbon copy paper. Stops the letter being read by holding up against a strong light and shows evidence of tampering.

[BrilloPad]

send a letter in the post.

f4j used that method alot - as far as we could tell never intercepted.

[bogeyman]

Yes, it's just the legal dotting of Is and crossing Ts to fit in with other things the government have signed up for.

Indeed. Furthermore, I expect every developed country does this.

If you want relatively secure communications, use ham radio (with a scrambler) or send a letter in the post.

[threaded]

UK Database of ALL phone calls and emails


I thought they already scanned them since as long as they/we have had the technology

Yes, it's just the legal dotting of Is and crossing Ts to fit in with other things the government have signed up for.

[Bagpuss]

UK Database of ALL phone calls and emails


I thought they already scanned them since as long as they/we have had the technology

[bogeyman]

Spied on from cradle to grave.

That's life in the shiny new crypto-Stalinist state that is the former United Kingdom.

Had a row about this with a woman in the pub the other night who took the "if you've done nothing wrong there's nothing to worry about" line of 'reasoning'.

She seemed happy to hand over her most intimate details, DNA and firstborn child to the security services in the interests of combating international terrorism.

I pointed out that the jews in Germany in 1938 had done nothing wrong, but it didn't help them much.

She countered that Gordon Brown was a good person, whereas Hitler & co were evil, so my argument was nonsense.

I must admit I was rather floored by that one.

[Marina]

Is this just a summary log of call times, durations, and from and to numbers, or do they plan to record the call itself?

GCHQ has recorded all international voice calls, and probably emails too, for years, and these are kept on a rolling six month cycle (maybe longer now).

[EternalOptimist]

Haven't they been doing that for decades anyway?
What's the difference if they just log the exchange and not the content?

Maybe so, but the plan is to hold it all centrally in one big fck-off database.
I dont think that happens at the moment

[Board Game Geek]

Isn't it usual in situations like this that a bill is proposed in all its full glory, warts and all, and then after the expected outcry, gets watered down by our benevolent political masters for the good of the people ?

[realityhack]

IIRC the plan is to record the number you phoned and when, not the content of the call. The email adress you mailed and not the content.

Haven't they been doing that for decades anyway?
What's the difference if they just log the exchange and not the content?