Reply to: Is islam anti christian and jew?

[Chico]

Not so Wise, Lucifer et al

Is truth absolute?

Chico "in loving the atheist mode"

[Not So Wise]

Not so Wise

I recommend that you read both the Old and New Testaments as there were many other religions at that time. Islam in its current form did not exist then but its characteristics were evident in other religions which may or may not have been the template for Islam.

And your point? Never said there were not and if you check Christianity has little good to say about them either.
And the main two templates for Islam is judaism and christianity with small bits of pre existing middle eastern religions

[vista]

Its all B 0 llock s

Substitute 'Book of Fariy tales' with the bible or the Koran

Substitute 'Tooth Fairy', Father Christmas' or 'Easter bunny' with allah. moses, jesus or mohamed

Then you'll have the measure of the religious nutters that exist on the planet today.

If you believe in a fanasty historical figure you are at best a little bit odd at worst a dangerous derranged f v ck in idiot. If you go so far as to want kill others becuase of your belief in a fantasy historical figure then the only real justice is that you should run up and down subway stations and let nature take its course :-)

Really, Jew, Muslim, Christian or whatever is just a diffrerent way of saying insane f V ckin morons not worth the s h1t from a sane persons ar sehol e.

As for shoot to kill why did they shoot the brazilian illegal immigrant 8 times? because they ran out of bullets!

[Lucifer Box]

Some might find a few seconds of mild amusement in identifying the webtulipes that Chico has cut 'n' pasted "his" answer from.

Here's my starter for ten...
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scr.../ten_cmds.html

[Stan]

pakis are the scum of the earth. never had any good experience with a paki in UK and elsewhere, they are treacherous and dishonest.
No wonder most of the suicide bombers are paki.

You seem to have mistaken this thread for the "stupid racists post here" thread. This is (yet another ) discussion of religions.

[SupremeSpod]

Chico, please go and inflict your superstitions on someone else. your views are becoming somewhat offensive.

[Chico]

Theology lesson 101 - condensed

OK ALM - I trust you really want to know the answer so here goes.

The Bible says God is " Holy and Just" so sin (anything that goes against his will) cannot go unpunished. In the Old Testament days certain sins were punished by death. Now if you read the entirety of the Old Testament you will see that this punishment was only meted out after due process and guilt was proven. Now the Bible also tells us that God is love and as such the cycle of people sinning and being punished continually grieved him. Ever since Adam and Eve were seduced by Satan's lies all humans have inherently inherited sinful tendencies and it is ingrained in us. No one teaches us to be disobedient it is part of our being. Anyway in Old Testament the prophets prophesied about the coming of Messiah who would atone for all the sins of the world. Too detailed so here is a link for you.
Old Testament prophecies

As such since Jesus did come and die for the sins of the world (John 3:16) there was no need for a blood atonement from humans irrespective of their sin. The Bible says [9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." ](Romans 10)

As such no Christian can ever justify the killing of others because they do not believe in God. Jesus came and fulfilled the law and paid the price.

Matthew 5
[The Fulfillment of the Law
17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.]

Now as to why The Commandments was universal and not specific because they (Ten Commandments, called aseret hadiberot (or sometimes aseret hadevarim, the “ten sayings”), designate the minimal moral requirements for mankind as defined by Almighty God. In the early Temple period, these commandments were recited immediately before the Shema as part of the seder (order) of worship.

See also these verses.

Matthew 19:17

"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

Revelation 12:17

Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

Revelation 14:12
This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.

Biblical study dispels a lot of the myths bandied around and I recommend you dust off your Bible and not buy into the lies spread by the forces of evil.

[DimPrawn]

Don't worry, they're on the hit list after we've shot all the Brazillians first.

[sappatz]

paki

pakis are the scum of the earth. never had any good experience with a paki in UK and elsewhere, they are treacherous and dishonest.
No wonder most of the suicide bombers are paki.

[Stan]

all holy books are bloodthirsty and bigoted IMO I wont go quite as far as to say the same thing about religious people but you can see where some of them get their ideas from.

[Mailman]

The passage I quoted was from Deuteronomy which is also the source for some the the 10 commandments.

It is only part of the source for the 10 commandments...it is not the 10 commandments however.

Mailman

[sasguru]

Can we hope ...

... Good question ALM, but I fear you won't get a straight answer ...

So I'll answer the question instead. There is NO justification for picking one part of the Bible over another. And yes, the difference between the Bombers and Chico is just a matter of degree. For men to live free and happy, we need to get rid of the virus of religion.

[ALM]

Considering that was a specific request for a specific group of people at a specific time it does not follow that it applies all for all time unlike the Ten Commandments . If we followed your logic because God asked Solomon to build a temple in Jerusalem should I building one temple too? Go take your primary school objections somewhere else.

The passage I quoted was from Deuteronomy which is also the source for some the the 10 commandments. What logic are you applying in which passages you choose to follow and which one you choose to ignore. If you accept that parts of the bible are indeed a nonesense in today's world, why advocate the ten commandments at all?

[Chico]

Considering that was a specific request for a specific group of people at a specific time it does not follow that it applies all for all time unlike the Ten Commandments . If we followed your logic because God asked Solomon to build a temple in Jerusalem should I building one temple too? Go take your primary school objections somewhere else.

[ALM]

Thank you for finally answering the question. So you do believe in it. That really is alarming Chico. So how exactly are you different from these crazed suicide bombers? I'm sure they too would argue that the resident infidels in London were worshipping the wrong God.