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[SupremeSpod]

I suspect Spod hangs around in offices looking tall. I also suspect he crosses his arms a lot and possesses a hearty laugh which clients find reassuring.

WS, you really are quite astute!

[GiGo]

...as I try to wrestle control back to the original point of Java training ....

Sun Java programmer certification is worth going for. It'll focus your mind in your studying cos it isn't as easy as people make it out to be. Just buy one of the certifcation study guides, and practice the concepts on your own PC.

Don't bother with courses until you hope to do more specialist J2ee stuff. Noddy Java programming courses will get you nowhere. There's not exactly tonnes of opportunities out there, otherwise I'd suggest "learning by interview", because they all ask the same questions..

[WageSlave]

So are you a c++ support monkey

I suspect Spod hangs around in offices looking tall. I also suspect he crosses his arms a lot and possesses a hearty laugh which clients find reassuring.

[SandyDown]

'C' - Become an expert in "C" and ultimately "C++" you'll never be out of work.

So are you a c++ support monkey

[WageSlave]

.NET isn't a language. You can program in the .NET framework with COBOL, C++, even Visual Basic!

Hence my use of 'language' rather than language.

[SupremeSpod]

I know you didn't mention it. I mentioned it simply as an example of a popular 'language' that will eventually dry up and be replaced by the next (not quite) great thing.

.NET isn't a language. You can program in the .NET framework with COBOL, C++, even Visual Basic!

[WageSlave]

Who mentioned .NET? I'm not on the Gravy Train, I'm working in Consumer Electronics, Loadsa Work.

I know you didn't mention it. I mentioned it simply as an example of a popular 'language' that will eventually dry up and be replaced by the next (not quite) great thing.

[rootsnall]

There's loads of free ( too much ) Java stuff on the web ( goto Sun site ) and you could teach yourself easy enough if you are disciplined enough. However I'd get a decent book ( look at reviews on Amazon ) to atleast give yourself a bit of structure. I managed to write a few apps ( as suggested here ) when I was last out of work and I looked at the certification stuff and it didn't look that hard if you use the study guides. I'm still debating if I should learn Java or C# as my next potential earner, both are paying good money in the City at the moment. Swinging towards C# but I think either will provide enough work doing bog standard coding for the forseeable future. I think grasping OO and learning the development platforms is harder than the languages themselves, if you've done C/C++ they are both a doddle. Blagging the first job is the hardest bit and I reckon certification would defo help.

[SupremeSpod]

But Spod, you are forgetting that languages come and languages go. C++ won't be around forever. Eventually the .NET gravy train will run dry, and there will be some new fangled language to master.

Who mentioned .NET? I'm not on the Gravy Train, I'm working in Consumer Electronics, Loadsa Work.

[DimPrawn]

Best way to learn is to do. Therefore put together an application that covers as many aspects of the Java framework as possible. e.g. a server based app with a web (JSP) UI that maniplutes files, databases, XML, emails, etc complete with security and deployment aspects.

That way you are learning the building blocks that most companies are interested in. Along the way you will end up reading online articles, downloading similiar code and components and learn a lot as you put your system together.

Best way IMHO.

Alternatively learn .NET and do the same thing much more quickly and earn more money into the bargain.

[WageSlave]

But Spod, you are forgetting that languages come and languages go. C++ won't be around forever. Eventually the .NET gravy train will run dry, and there will be some new fangled language to master.

[SupremeSpod]

C++ is a horrible, horrible, horrible language. Or perhaps I'm just too stupid to grasp it properly

Which is why there'll always be work for the likes of yours truly.

[WageSlave]

'C' - Become an expert in "C" and ultimately "C++" you'll never be out of work.

C++ is a horrible, horrible, horrible language. Or perhaps I'm just too stupid to grasp it properly

[spot]

...as I try to wrestle control back to the original point of Java training ....

[SupremeSpod]

Slave, I think the Sandals and Socks gave it away mate... Spod is not a programmer, he is a support monkey... lowest of them all

Sandy, you really do know feck all.