Reply to: Father puts daughter in microwave - another good reason to sterilize

[SueEllen]

They must all be mentally insane to some level. The tricky part is determining and treating the mental illness to reduce it to a level where they are fit to rejoin society. Now I'm not sure how far the treatments have progressed since they used electric shock therapy, but I don't think it's far enough.

There is a difference between mental illness, mental disability and personality disorders.

Current thinking is that personality disorders can be treated successfully in children but not in adults.

Mental illness can be treated completely or controlled.

For example Stephen Fry is bipolar (has Manic Depression) and has not hurt anyone. Ian Brady claimed to be mentally ill but all those who were around him knew he played the system to end up in a secure Mental Hospital so classed him as having a personality disorder.

[Diver]

I think all parents can sympathise with this man.

HRH = another good reason to sterilize

[TheFaQQer]

Putting things in a microwave doesn't necessarily sterilize them.

Even Dettox only kills 99% of known germs, so maybe a combination of bleach and microwaving is the best way to sterilize?

[Ruprect]

No, they flail about, go a funny colour and then just stop moving.

Now that's funny

[Edit] Why? probably because it didn't just happen to a defenseless little child.

[PAH]

Everything about a legal system is a compromise. The idea of a criminal justice system is punishment and rehabilation. There are no guarantees that you will get every case right.

A child because they easily learn new skills should be easy to rehabiliate particular if they easily admit to the killing without trying to say they are mentally insane and are taken away from their families.

An adult who kills and then tries to manipulate the system to get a lighter sentence saying they are mentally insane is more dangerous. How are you going to work out if they are acting?

They must all be mentally insane to some level. The tricky part is determining and treating the mental illness to reduce it to a level where they are fit to rejoin society. Now I'm not sure how far the treatments have progressed since they used electric shock therapy, but I don't think it's far enough.

[SueEllen]

That's because no two cases are really the same.

Anyone who commits such a crime against children should be removed from society until it's proven that they have either been reabilitated or cured of any mental problems. If neither can be proven then don't risk the public with these examples of the depths of humanity.

Any other solution is a compromise, and one that is inevitably going to fail at some point in some cases.

Everything about a legal system is a compromise. The idea of a criminal justice system is punishment and rehabilation. There are no guarantees that you will get every case right.

A child because they easily learn new skills should be easy to rehabiliate particular if they easily admit to the killing without trying to say they are mentally insane and are taken away from their families.

An adult who kills and then tries to manipulate the system to get a lighter sentence saying they are mentally insane is more dangerous. How are you going to work out if they are acting?

[PAH]

You are not equating like with like.

That's because no two cases are really the same.

Anyone who commits such a crime against children should be removed from society until it's proven that they have either been reabilitated or cured of any mental problems. If neither can be proven then don't risk the public with these examples of the depths of humanity.

Any other solution is a compromise, and one that is inevitably going to fail at some point in some cases.

[Torran]

No, they flail about, go a funny colour and then just stop moving.

sick but funny

[oracleslave]

No, they flail about, go a funny colour and then just stop moving.

[threaded]

Children don't learn how to behave in a vaccuum.

No, they flail about, go a funny colour and then just stop moving.

[SueEllen]

The question is how to provide adequate protection? If the community are made aware of them being local, they may as well be locked up. If the community aren't made aware, then the authorities are giving the scum-bags the benefit of the doubt, when there really is no doubt.

You are not equating like with like.

The Bulger Murderers where children who killed a smaller child who was a stranger, like Mary Bell. (She actually killed two toddlers.)

This guy is an adult who tried to kill his own daughter.

She was taken away from her family , did not kill another child, was given anomity and managed to raise a daughter to adulthood.

This adult is a danger to anyone who he has children with as he has not learnt that a child is a separate human from himself and his partner, and killing another human being is wrong. This is what people are suppose to learn as children.

Children don't learn how to behave in a vaccuum.

[HRH]

You've not got kids?

Either no kids oe sense of humour.

[threaded]

Not funny, even in the slightest.

You've not got kids?

[PAH]

Don't you think someone's keeping an eye on them?

I'm sure there are, but it doesn't take a lot of incompetence for them to slip the net.

With the preference for reactive measures rather than preventative ones, I've no confidence these types of people can be prevented from re-commiting similar crimes if they so desire.

The question is how to provide adequate protection? If the community are made aware of them being local, they may as well be locked up. If the community aren't made aware, then the authorities are giving the scum-bags the benefit of the doubt, when there really is no doubt.

[Ruprect]

I think all parents can sympathise with this man.

Not funny, even in the slightest.