Reply to: Sterilise parents on benefits

[Diver]

Fair point. We have an aging population. The number of workers will not be able to provide the pension needs fo the retired. This is a major and known problem.
We need lots of kids to gro up and work to pay tax to fund the elderly. So we need to encourage child birth.
The problem here is that we are breeding a generation who are reliant on benefits.
The majority of children born into these dependant families become dependant themselves so not only will we have an elderly generation looking for pension, but we will have a generation of benefits dependant non workers.
On top of that we have an ever increasing civil service to cope with all those on benefits who also have solid gold pension rights.
Who is going to pay the bills?

There needs to be an incentive to have children. There also needs to be some responsibilty on behalf of the parents.
THERE IS NO EASY SOLUTION and when you read stories like the RSD getting 36K a year in benefits to keep her tribe it seems we are doomed, but we need MPs to take the bull by the horns to get the debate going.

My farm in Spain as a retirement option looks sweeter every day

[The Lone Gunman]

and think of it logically, if we don't have kids, who is going to support us all in our dotage?

Fair point. We have an aging population. The number of workers will not be able to provide the pension needs fo the retired. This is a major and known problem.
We need lots of kids to gro up and work to pay tax to fund the elderly. So we need to encourage child birth.
The problem here is that we are breeding a generation who are reliant on benefits.
The majority of children born into these dependant families become dependant themselves so not only will we have an elderly generation looking for pension, but we will have a generation of benefits dependant non workers.
On top of that we have an ever increasing civil service to cope with all those on benefits who also have solid gold pension rights.
Who is going to pay the bills?

There needs to be an incentive to have children. There also needs to be some responsibilty on behalf of the parents.
THERE IS NO EASY SOLUTION and when you read stories like the RSD getting 36K a year in benefits to keep her tribe it seems we are doomed, but we need MPs to take the bull by the horns to get the debate going.

[threaded]

and think of it logically, if we don't have kids, who is going to support us all in our dotage?

Most sensible post of the year so far.

[SueEllen]

Your explanation is why a few people I know won't claim tax credits.

[Ardesco]

Why do loads of Conservatives have this self-destruct instinct? It's Keith Joseph all over again.

Anyway about 70% of parents are on benefits (sorry, "tax credits") nowadays. There aren't enough pairs of surgical scissors in the country to snip them all.

Tax credits are ridiculous as well. We told the tax office how much we took home a couple of years ago (Call it £15,000 as an example here). They then sent out a letter saying that we had said £5,000 and they thought we had taken home £10,000. So we called them up and said no that's wrong we took home £15,000 as we originally told you and as the Self Assessment and PAYE departments should know. Yesterday we get a letter saying that we have not contacted then to explain the discrepancy so they are going to set our total earnings as £10,000 and we may be liable to investigations in the future.....

In the mean time they insist on paying us money that we probably shouldn't be getting (into a savings account while we wait for them to ask for it back) and they are trying to blame us for their incompetence.

I questioned them on the phone as to why they hadn't contacted their other departments to find out the correct figure, and why they kept writing to us and I was told that they have no contact with the Self Assessment, or PAYE departments and that the details they work with are only what is supplied to them on a form that we filled in.

If this is the case why?? Surely the point of merging all the different tax departments under one roof was so that they could share data? Secondly, if they are only going working with figures that we have supplied them (bollocks) where the hell have they got this £10,000 figure from (which is incorrect as well?)

Bunch of fecking muppets

[Diver]

Why do loads of Conservatives have this self-destruct instinct? It's Keith Joseph all over again.

Anyway about 70% of parents are on benefits (sorry, "tax credits") nowadays. There aren't enough pairs of surgical scissors in the country to snip them all.

and think of it logically, if we don't have kids, who is going to support us all in our dotage?

[thunderlizard]

Why do loads of Conservatives have this self-destruct instinct? It's Keith Joseph all over again.

Anyway about 70% of parents are on benefits (sorry, "tax credits") nowadays. There aren't enough pairs of surgical scissors in the country to snip them all.

[Diver]

Arguments are next door mate ------------->

[TheFaQQer]

It's not argument, it's just contradiction.

No it isn't.

[Moscow Mule]

(c) Python (Monty). Yawn.

You can yawn all you like young man, I reserve the right to quote classics whenever I feel like it.

"A pint, that's very nearly an armful."

[Platypus]

It's not argument, it's just contradiction.

(c) Python (Monty). Yawn.

[Moscow Mule]

Bloody well will!!

It's not argument, it's just contradiction.

[realityhack]

This is a disgraceful statment and an affront to the values of Conservatism.

It's a naive statement that will probably cost him his job.

[realityhack]

Bloody well will!!

Eh eh! Cahm Dahn, Cahm Dahn!
We may be having an argument, we might not be. There's no subject yet anyway.

[AlfredJPruffock]

This is a disgraceful statment and an affront to the values of Conservatism.