Reply to: IVF - Are you Deaf?

[EternalOptimist]

I always think of this story when this type of subject comes up

everything is 'fair' by law

http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/hb.html

[shaunbhoy]

No, for you to understand them the BBC provided an interpreter. In their community such things are unnecessary.

Well that would be all well and good if their community existed in its own little vacuum. It does not however, and for the BBC to provide an interpreter, I and many others have been obliged to pay a licence fee.
If their child is not born deaf then perhaps in years to come they can voice their side of things without the need for one.

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Yet they were obliged to voice their point via an interpreter.

No, for you to understand them the BBC provided an interpreter. In their community such things are unnecessary.

[shaunbhoy]

Their argument is that it is not a disability.

Yet they were obliged to voice their point via an interpreter.

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Even leaving the economics of it all to one side, why would you want your child to have an increased chance of a disability, however minor you might deem it, when the option of preventing it is there in front of you?

Their argument is that it is not a disability.

[shaunbhoy]

Deaf parents who purposely bring a deaf child into the world obviously want their child to face a lifetime of discrimination and hardship. Even if the child gets a job they are more likely to be made "redundant" and have to live off benefits than someone without their disability.

Even leaving the economics of it all to one side, why would you want your child to have an increased chance of a disability, however minor you might deem it, when the option of preventing it is there in front of you?

[SueEllen]

Like immigrants have to, not?!

Immigrants can learn English and a large amount speak English when they arrive. Plus they are likely to have or want to have jobs, and will take carp ones like butternut squash picking .......

Deaf parents who purposely bring a deaf child into the world obviously want their child to face a lifetime of discrimination and hardship. Even if the child gets a job they are more likely to be made "redundant" and have to live off benefits than someone without their disability.

[KathyWoolfe]

No the state and us are paying.

The law as it stands means that others - employers, retailers, banks etc - have to make the effort to ensure the deaf don't suffer any disadvantage in their dealings with them.

Seriously that couple should be tested to see if they have a "mental impairment".

Yes, I know that WE pay.
Not the state, as all funds that the state uses are supplied by the taxpayers.
I was trying to suggest that as they make a deliberate act to create a child that has special needs then those special needs should be supplied by the parents and not by US.

[SueEllen]

Presumably these parents are willing to pay for all the extras that the child will need - like interpreters, lessons to learn the sign language, special considerations for employment etc - to live in a society that will be predominently alien to them.
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No the state and us are paying.

The law as it stands means that others - employers, retailers, banks etc - have to make the effort to ensure the deaf don't suffer any disadvantage in their dealings with them.

Seriously that couple should be tested to see if they have a "mental impairment".

[threaded]

Presumably these parents are willing to pay for all the extras that the child will need - like interpreters, lessons to learn the sign language, special considerations for employment etc - to live in a society that will be predominently alien to them.

Like immigrants have to, not?!

[KathyWoolfe]

It would be hard to imagine CUK without sasguru though wouldn't it?

Only because without him you'd have to think up something sensible to say.

[DimPrawn]

Presumably these parents are willing to pay for all the extras that the child will need - like interpreters, lessons to learn the sign language, special considerations for employment etc - to live in a society that will be predominently alien to them.

I'm not in favour of selection of embryos for particular characteristics i.e. race, gender etc., but would definitely select in favour of lack of physical/mental defects etc.

It would be hard to imagine CUK without sasguru though wouldn't it?

[KathyWoolfe]

Presumably these parents are willing to pay for all the extras that the child will need - like interpreters, lessons to learn the sign language, special considerations for employment etc - to live in a society that will be predominently alien to them.

I'm not in favour of selection of embryos for particular characteristics i.e. race, gender etc., but would definitely select in favour of lack of physical/mental defects etc.

[EternalOptimist]

I think they have a right to demand a deaf child. Blind, limbs missing, ginger - anything as long as its not a jock.

[shaunbhoy]

I thought the blonde eyed blue haired hi IQ thing was a pretty good idea.

It has never done me any harm!