Sorry about those rendition flights

[Troll]

I think we long for the 'good old days', but that's all past us now.

I just long for some integrity from our elected leaders... or the understanding that we can shoot them when proven wrong or caught with their hands in the till

[Peoplesoft bloke]

What happened to Rambo? Did it all get a bit too boo hoo for him or did he use up his allocation of daft icons?

[ratewhore]

It's got to the point where, even if the govt told me the sky was blue, I wouldn't believe them.

IMHO of course...

[shaunbhoy]

but look at the culture and attitude of soldiers in this country - hardly model citizens, just go to any barrack town on a Fri/Sat night,

And Barrack towns are that much worse than other towns are they? You have been to how many Mr Eggspurt?

[BankingContractor]

Well that's just it - I don't don't believe our Govt, they've taken spin to a new level.

My worry is that most people do think mistakes by world leaders are different - we accept that even if Blair is wrong, "he genuinely believed what he did was right", blah blah blah.

Look at Abu Graib for example, we expect these soldiers to behave in a certain way, but look at the culture and attitude of soldiers in this country - hardly model citizens, just go to any barrack town on a Fri/Sat night, why should it be different elsewhere?

I think we long for the 'good old days', but that's all past us now.

After 10 years of spin you might... but I suspect you could be in a minority

[Troll]

That's the real problem - when our Govt says it was an honest mistake, we believe them.

After 10 years of spin you might... but I suspect you could be in a minority

[BankingContractor]

That's the real problem - when our Govt says it was an honest mistake, we believe them.

But if the Russians or China did this, we'd be in uproar.

Quite sad actually, as we should know from our history that this sort of thing happens all the time, just look at the Potato Famine, Arrow Incident, the Opium Wars, and that's not even mentioning the decades slavery for millions of Africans.

I think the real question is, do we back our Govt even when they behave like this, or do we continue to believe their 'honest mistakes'?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7256587.stm

From David Milliband:

What he said


What he thought


Good faith my left testicle!!

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Three quarters of the crap a lot of you post on here can be considered torture

Oh boo hoo, he looked at me funny, thats torture! Oh boo hoo, I had to read a posting of guru...thats torture!

Mailman

Are you a Redneck Septic? or just a wannabe? I didn't know Chuck Norris posted on here.

[Mailman]

That would be "clean up" defined as "torture people we think may be up to no good in the name of freedom but not have the guts to own up to it or do it on our own soil" presumably

Three quarters of the crap a lot of you post on here can be considered torture

Oh boo hoo, he looked at me funny, thats torture! Oh boo hoo, I had to read a posting of guru...thats torture!

Mailman

[shaunbhoy]

That would be "clean up" defined as "torture people we think may be up to no good in the name of freedom but not have the guts to own up to it or do it on our own soil" presumably

You say that like it is a BAD thing!!


Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs you know

HTH

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Who gives a toss?

So a plane landed in some backwater that england is only the boss of in name...big deal!

What the real issue here is how come America has to clean everyone elses messes up? And when did the Wests collective back bone get replaced with this soft white mushy stuff?

Yeah, boo hoo to you!

Mailman

That would be "clean up" defined as "torture people we think may be up to no good in the name of freedom but not have the guts to own up to it or do it on our own soil" presumably

[ratewhore]

Everyone elses mess? That's a can of worms right there.

Anyways, apparently the US shares the UK's regret so everyones as weak as each other.

It's only fair...

[Mailman]

Who gives a toss?

So a plane landed in some backwater that england is only the boss of in name...big deal!

What the real issue here is how come America has to clean everyone elses messes up? And when did the Wests collective back bone get replaced with this soft white mushy stuff?

Yeah, boo hoo to you!

Mailman

[ratewhore]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7256587.stm

From David Milliband:

What he said

He said he was "very sorry" to have to say that previous denials made in "good faith" were now having to be corrected.

What he thought

shite - it's breaking in tonights Evening Standard!!

Good faith my left testicle!!