Reply to: Aussies sanitise the net

[TheFaQQer]

I was reading something yesterday about some interesting little bits included in the latest anti-porn law going through at the moment.

Anyone looking at / downloading / partaking in BDSM or similar will now be a criminal and can be jailed for a few years.

Linky

[TimberWolf]

Your arguement is that technical measures would solve the problem, where as mine is that solution is not technical here. You mentioned global police there, but it seemed to me your "prevention of IP spoofing" had bigger weight in your arguement.

I will settle for you just agreeing with my point of view.

No, fair play, it seems you are right and I was wrong. It’s more difficult to spoof IP address for the purposes of sending SPAM than I originally thought. Being able to authenticate IP addresses may be irrelevant since most Internet protocols require some form of handshaking, i.e. information sent back to the attacker to work, SMTP included.

[AtW]

How can I argue when you provide your very own examples that refute your original assertion?

Your arguement is that technical measures would solve the problem, where as mine is that solution is not technical here. You mentioned global police there, but it seemed to me your "prevention of IP spoofing" had bigger weight in your arguement.

I will settle for you just agreeing with my point of view.

[TimberWolf]

The main problem with those scumbags that actually cause the trouble is that they reside in corrupt countries where police are not even interested in those cases, and even if it were it can be bought off. If Russia and China were cut off completely from Internet access to other countries then amount of spam and other carp would drop big time, perhaps this is what needs to be done in order to force people in those countries to demand from their own Govt that scum among them is put to prison. Unfortunately political regimes in those countries would probably be pleased if international Internet was cut off.

How can I argue when you provide your very own examples that refute your original assertion?

[AtW]

I said cut down a lot of SPAM and IP spoofing, not cut out SPAM entirely.

Do you know what IP spoofing is? It does not look that you do.

The reason that PCs can be readily hijacked is also argueably down to an almost complete lack of accountability and traceability. As I said, it would need a global [police] effort to enforce.

The reason PCs are hijacked is because people are stupid - they run attachments from unknown sources (or even known), download infected stuff from P2P or just browse the net in unpatched machines, to top this up most people (including me) use OS that is very vulnerable.

The main problem with those scumbags that actually cause the trouble is that they reside in corrupt countries where police are not even interested in those cases, and even if it were it can be bought off. If Russia and China were cut off completely from Internet access to other countries then amount of spam and other crap would drop big time, perhaps this is what needs to be done in order to force people in those countries to demand from their own Govt that scum among them is put to prison. Unfortunately political regimes in those countries would probably be pleased if international Internet was cut off.

[TimberWolf]

Rubbish. Most of spam currently comes from compromised PCs owned by homeusers - this will continue to be the case until being stupid becomes illegal and punishable by death.

I said cut down a lot of SPAM and IP spoofing, not cut out SPAM entirely.

A study of more than a million spam emails has revealed a weak link in the junk email business. It shows that the web links contained in millions of spam messages point to just a handful of servers. …. Partly because spammers [hijacked PCs] generated random "from" (IP) addresses.
http://technology.newscientist.com/a...ine-news_rss20

The reason that PCs can be readily hijacked is also argueably down to an almost complete lack of accountability and traceability. As I said, it would need a global [police] effort to enforce.

[AtW]

There was talk about a future IP protocol that would allow IP addresses to be authenticated, which would cut down a lot of Spam and IP spoofing, i.e. make people more accountable, but I don’t know where it’s at and it would need to be a global effort.

Rubbish. Most of spam currently comes from compromised PCs owned by homeusers - this will continue to be the case until being stupid becomes illegal and punishable by death.

[AtW]

It would appear that China is able to enforce a level of censorship and that the convicts are about to give it a go; It will be interesting to see if they can overcome the technical challenges in the coming year.

They still have public executions in China. And they regularly put in jail dissidends or anyone that goes against the State in anything. More importantly decades of communist rule resulted in brain alterations in the society - people who loved or treasured prisons either were killed or had to run away. This is what happened in Russia - after 70 years of communist rule whole new generation of "homo bidlos" appeared, they are the people who will spit at word "democracy" and words "freedom of speech" are meaningless to them.

In these conditions it is easy to enforce this sort of braindead idea, but it is not possible in a reasonably free society.

[Troll]

I bet they think it'll be cheap to implement too.

10 linux/freebsd servers and half a dozen useless permies

What's the exchange rate for Aussie useless permies versus UK (i.e. sasguru) useless permies?
Are theirs worse than ours or comparable?

[Churchill]

There was talk about a future IP protocol that would allow IP addresses to be authenticated, which would cut down a lot of Spam and IP spoofing, i.e. make people more accountable, but I don’t know where it’s at and it would need to be a global effort.

IPv6 migration would seem the ideal vehicle for such a system...

[TimberWolf]

There was talk about a future IP protocol that would allow IP addresses to be authenticated, which would cut down a lot of Spam and IP spoofing, i.e. make people more accountable, but I don’t know where it’s at and it would need to be a global effort.

[Churchill]

Definitely certifiable …but not that knowledgeable about the infrastructure thingies that makes this internet m’larky gubbins works.

It would appear that China is able to enforce a level of censorship and that the convicts are about to give it a go; It will be interesting to see if they can overcome the technical challenges in the coming year.

Interestingly(or not), it was the likes of Cisco, Mitel et al who helped China realise their goal...

[Troll]

Nice Trolling but if you believe this you are quite clearly as deranged as the Australian Government.

Definitely certifiable …but not that knowledgeable about the infrastructure thingies that makes this internet m’larky gubbins works.

It would appear that China is able to enforce a level of censorship and that the convicts are about to give it a go; It will be interesting to see if they can overcome the technical challenges in the coming year.

[Churchill]

I bet they think it'll be cheap to implement too.

10 linux/freebsd servers and half a dozen useless permies

EDS will win the contract and charge billions $Aus. It will all be implemented as part of the "War on Terror" so will have a limitless budget.

[miffy]

Nice Trolling but if you believe this you are quite clearly as deranged as the Australian Government.

I bet they think it'll be cheap to implement too.

10 linux/freebsd servers and half a dozen useless permies