Age laws in the UK

[Spartacus]

Do call me Wendigo. Wendigo100 is so formal.

You can call me Spartacus.

And everyone else on the board except Zeitghost, now I come to mention it.

[wendigo100]

Do call me Wendigo. Wendigo100 is so formal.

[Spartacus]

I thought their presence at any age is at the licencee's discretion. My son first started accompanying me to the pub after training when he was eight, in 2002.

Drinking alcohol is obviously another matter.

Yes, wendigo100 is correct. Even after all the recent changes to the law, admission to the premises regardless of who can legally buy what for whom is still at the licensee's discretion. Some places welcome children of any age, some have a curfew (no under 18s after 20:00, say), some say no under 14s, some city centre vertical drinking establishments say no under 21s.

It's the licensee's gaff so he/she sets the admission rules within the law.

[wendigo100]

I went to a pub yesterday lunchtime and somebody turned up with her 5-year old daughter. The landlord told them they didn't have a licence and would have to leave, which she did after grumbling about it for a while.

When I was young we were never allowed in pubs, I think the only exception was the bar of a hotel we were staying at. When did it all change?

It's an attitude thing. Years ago a pub was somewhere to get away from Juveniles.

However, over the past 30 years rising costs, alternative past-times and the drink-driving laws have closed down many pubs.

So they are becoming "family friendly", in order to get business.

[Gonzo]

I went to a pub yesterday lunchtime and somebody turned up with her 5-year old daughter. The landlord told them they didn't have a licence and would have to leave, which she did after grumbling about it for a while.

When I was young we were never allowed in pubs, I think the only exception was the bar of a hotel we were staying at. When did it all change?

The same rule change that removed the restriction on opening hours made a number of other adjustments as well.

From what I can make out, childred (under 16) are allowed into a pub so long as they are accompanied by an adult.

16 and 17 year olds are permitted beer, wine or cider provided they are accompanied by an adult and it is served with a sit down meal.

It is now an offence for you to purchase alcohol if you are under 18, where previously it was the licencee committing the offence by serving it (although that is still an offence too).

EDIT: So in fact everything that BrowneIssue put in his post will apply in London too.

[VectraMan]

I went to a pub yesterday lunchtime and somebody turned up with her 5-year old daughter. The landlord told them they didn't have a licence and would have to leave, which she did after grumbling about it for a while.

When I was young we were never allowed in pubs, I think the only exception was the bar of a hotel we were staying at. When did it all change?

[darmstadt]

Thanks for that, we'll play it by ear (well, mouth actually) and see what happens. If you see a news item about rampaging drunken Anglo German boozehounds, you'll know who it is...

[BrowneIssue]

Since the OP will be staying in London I don't think that the Scottish rules will interest him.

Oh, THAT London.

Ahem.

[wendigo100]

Anyone 14 or over accompanied by someone 18 or over can go onto licensed premises and have soft drinks at the licencee's discretion.

I thought their presence at any age is at the licencee's discretion. My son first started accompanying me to the pub after training when he was eight, in 2002.

Drinking alcohol is obviously another matter.

[Gonzo]

You said 'England'. Note, 'England' is not the UK: the rules are different in Scotland.

The relevant legislation is the Licensing Act 2003 which came into force in November 2005.

Anyone 14 or over accompanied by someone 18 or over can go onto licensed premises and have soft drinks at the licencee's discretion.

16 and 17 year olds can drink, but not buy, beer, cider and wine when having a substantial table meal (provided that they are accompanied by someone aged 18 or over who buys the alcohol for them). [this rule seems to be known by virtually nobody.]

So, a 16 year old can go into a pub with you - but ask the landlord if it is OK. Said 16 year old can even share a bottle of wine with you over a meal. Alternatively, sit there drinking coke and eating crisps all night.

So it is much the same as Germany, really. Except we've got better beer but far worse lager. Please, do NOT drink the lager.

To be clear, does the Licencing Act 2003 that you refer to cover England or Scotland?

Since the OP will be staying in London I don't think that the Scottish rules will interest him.

[BrowneIssue]

You said 'England'. Note, 'England' is not the UK: the rules are different in Scotland.

The relevant legislation is the Licensing Act 2003 which came into force in November 2005.

Anyone 14 or over accompanied by someone 18 or over can go onto licensed premises and have soft drinks at the licencee's discretion.

16 and 17 year olds can drink, but not buy, beer, cider and wine when having a substantial table meal (provided that they are accompanied by someone aged 18 or over who buys the alcohol for them). [this rule seems to be known by virtually nobody.]

So, a 16 year old can go into a pub with you - but ask the landlord if it is OK. Said 16 year old can even share a bottle of wine with you over a meal. Alternatively, sit there drinking coke and eating crisps all night.

So it is much the same as Germany, really. Except we've got better beer but far worse lager. Please, do NOT drink the lager.

[Gonzo]

I thought age discrimination had been banned in the UK?



Oh, its a serious question. Strictly speaking a person has to be 18 to buy alcohol in licensed premises such as a pub or off licence.

There is nothing to stop him going in to the pub with you.

I am not sure whether or not the law prevents you from purchasing alcohol and giving it to him to drink. There used to be some arcane laws where children weren't allowed into the bar, but could go into the restaurant, and it was legal for them to drink cider but not beer. I have a suspicion that these have been changed in recent years.


Since he is 16, I can't see that anyone is going to notice or even care. Just don't send him to the bar when its his round.

[DimPrawn]

18yrs for a pub.

I think if you go for a meal, then the boy can drink wine/beer at the table.

[darmstadt]

Whats the age law in England for going into a pub? Here in Germany there isn't really any and you can drink beer (no spirits) from the age of 16. As I'm going to be in London next week with my son, who happens to be 16, I want to go out of an evening and not leave him stuck in a hotel room.