Reply to: Being outsourced to India

[Francko]

Actually one of the Business Analysts is being outsourced. Only for minor enhancements, there is still going to be UK-based.

I can only see it as a good thing if they have business analysts over there. Why not? Nobody is safe,I tell you. Only a couple of years ago everybody was saying that we couldn't outsource mainframe as that is too complicated, blah blah.... oh well, now you have plenty of mainframe experts in India too. :-)

And guess what? More and more business analysts and project managers are coming up as well.....

The real advantage now is not on cost but the ability of coordinating dispersed teams and make them fully functional and autonomous so that you are able to cover a longer day of activities because of the timezone differences. If you just see outsourcing as only a way for saving money and you think you only need the monkeys, then you are not on the right track.

[dude69]

the other thing is, ANY role can be fulfilled by an imported Indian. More expensive than off-shore, but a lot cheaper than me.

[Zorba]

I've seen b2 and b3 outsourced. They tried b1 too but it fell on its face, and the had to back up the b2s and b3s with contractors, irony of ironies, because they were naff.

[jo99]

I have noticed a number of 'foreign' business analysts on the job market.....thought I was safe!

[dude69]

a. Roles that are usually outsourced:
1. Junior Developers
2. Junior Testers
3. 2nd/3rd line support

b. Roles that can't be outsourced:
1. Project Managers
2. Senior Developers/Testers
3. Business Analysts

(Basically anyone involved or reporting at high level)

c. Areas that can be outsourced:
1. Back-office (mainframe/AS400)
2. Web
3. Anything MS-based

d. Areas that can't be outsourced:
1. Front-office (especially trading systems)
2. Most CRM
3. System security

(Basically, anything sensitive enough to be close to home)

Hope the above helps - from what I have seen here so far, most of the older posters have nothing to fear from the 'spots'

Actually one of the Business Analysts is being outsourced. Only for minor enhancements, there is still going to be UK-based.

[Dow Jones]

What is/isn't outsourced

a. Roles that are usually outsourced:
1. Junior Developers
2. Junior Testers
3. 2nd/3rd line support

b. Roles that can't be outsourced:
1. Project Managers
2. Senior Developers/Testers
3. Business Analysts

(Basically anyone involved or reporting at high level)

c. Areas that can be outsourced:
1. Back-office (mainframe/AS400)
2. Web
3. Anything MS-based

d. Areas that can't be outsourced:
1. Front-office (especially trading systems)
2. Most CRM
3. System security

(Basically, anything sensitive enough to be close to home)

Hope the above helps - from what I have seen here so far, most of the older posters have nothing to fear from the 'spots'

[DimPrawn]

But that is so unfair !

If you want "fairness" join the Labour Party.

HTH

[rootsnall]

I would just milk it and look to move on.

You can't fight globalisation. We need it so 1% of the population can control 50% of the worlds wealth.

HTH

But that is so unfair !

[DimPrawn]

I would just milk it and look to move on.

You can't fight globalisation. We need it so 1% of the population can control 50% of the worlds wealth.

HTH

[rootsnall]

Racists!

Do you think I should take legal action ? Maybe contact the PCG Helpline ?

[DimPrawn]

Depends. I was in this position last year, we got Indian bosses and the team was gradually 'deanglified' (sp?). I eventually got squeezed out but interestingly my workload went to the Philippines rather than India when it went offshore.

Racists!

[rootsnall]

On Monday I start with the outsource team as the only Englishmen. This could put me in a strong position but only time will tell.

Depends. I was in this position last year, we got Indian bosses and the team was gradually 'deanglified' (sp?). I eventually got squeezed out but interestingly my workload went to the Philippines rather than India when it went offshore.

[al_cam]

It is no bad thing - just something else for your CV -

"Experienced with outsourcing project work to third party overseas vendors"
(or something like this)

I got a call just this week because of my experience when we got outsourced to India. Just get stuck in, and mop up as much experience as possible. Make sure you leave your contact details so that when it all goes wrong and they bring it back, you get a call for that job.

Al.

[DimPrawn]

Our IB project is being taken over from internal to managed service. Company that is doing the takeover specialises in outsourcing to India, although it's being sold to us purely as a transfer of management from internal to external vendor. Obvious scenario is that they keep us on for a while, acquire our expertise, then replace us with Indians.

Does anyone have any experience of this? Thoughts on my negotiating position?

Drag out the knowledge transfer as long as possible.
Highlight any fook-ups by managed service company to management in regular unemotional and factual reports. Always suggest ways of improving the process (that also leads to more work).
Don't give up the real business knowledge unless asked a direct question. Keep that to yourself.

You can turn this to your advantage for a few months to several years if you play it cool and professional.

[MobileCheese]

Worked in 3 places were they out sourced or set up there own indian dev centres. In most case the only work they see is the standard stuff that can be done without any business interaction / knowledge. Its going to happen best thing you can do is make sure you are very business facing then they cant outsource you.

Current gig Im the outsourced bod, all of the team and users are based in San Fran 8hrs behind, it ******* sucks, it just isnt working and thats because I cant get the contact with the business I need, mad rush at 5pm or like today come in at 3pm work till 11pm, dont think I will be here long