Reply to: Scottish Independence

[DodgyAgent]

You actually answered to shaunbhoy. Did your IQ drop ever since you became an agent or was it a requirement for the job?

[AtW]

I hope you are right snaw.

You actually answered to shaunbhoy. Did your IQ drop ever since you became an agent or was it a requirement for the job?

[DodgyAgent]

The scots north of the border are currently in the unusual position of being heavily subsidised by UK taxpayers as a whole. This is due in no small part to factors like the possibly overzealous application of the Barnett formula and other subtle 'goodies' being surreptitiously filtered back from Westminster by NL largely in return for support on key policy issues. Should that situation change radically then the populace will adapt accordingly.




Absolute tripe. Even before the easing of tuition fees Scotland had a superior education system and proportionally more University graduates than the rest of the UK. Amongst them there are plenty who would lead the way should an independent Scotland ever become a reality. Many of them presently either move away, or go for the easy option of jobs in the Public Sector, and why not make hay in this way? To imagine that such a cultured nation could not adapt and survive should that particular phase end suddenly is naive and simplistic. Honestly DA, you and that Guardian of yours!! Tsk tsk!!

I hope you are right snaw. The scots are big enough and ugly enough to get on and create wealth and do not need to be patronised by the state. If Scotland had its independence, with reduced state funds it would mean that the people would get up and create wealth...

[snaw]

I go to pub regularly snaw, but this is not the highlight of my life

Yeah, believe I may have spotted you one or two times, sitting in the corner alone, nursing your one beer for the day (Before you post on this board about what you had), getting ready to go feed your mates, the squirrels.

Think the picture is clear enough, no more need to elaborate.

[shaunbhoy]

I go to pub regularly snaw, but this is not the highlight of my life

Nor the highlight of anyone else's in there either!!

[AtW]

You should try it sometime, maybe make a few real friends - even, remote chance I know, meet a girl and pop your cherry.

I go to pub regularly snaw, but this is not the highlight of my life

[snaw]

You certainly won't be among them since the only way you would lead to is to a pub

You should try it sometime, maybe make a few real friends - even, remote chance I know, meet a girl and pop your cherry.

[AtW]

Amongst them there are plenty who would lead the way should an independent Scotland ever become a reality

You certainly won't be among them since the only way you would lead to is to a pub

[shaunbhoy]

OK

My point is that Scotland has relatively little entrepreneurial spirit. most of the jobs are in the public sector. The scots north of the border are going to struggle whenthese public sector jobs are taken away from them along with tax subsidies that they currently "enjoy".

The scots north of the border are currently in the unusual position of being heavily subsidised by UK taxpayers as a whole. This is due in no small part to factors like the possibly overzealous application of the Barnett formula and other subtle 'goodies' being surreptitiously filtered back from Westminster by NL largely in return for support on key policy issues. Should that situation change radically then the populace will adapt accordingly.

Scotland has (compared to say Ireland or london) a long way to go to find people to create wealth.

Absolute tripe. Even before the easing of tuition fees Scotland had a superior education system and proportionally more University graduates than the rest of the UK. Amongst them there are plenty who would lead the way should an independent Scotland ever become a reality. Many of them presently either move away, or go for the easy option of jobs in the Public Sector, and why not make hay in this way? To imagine that such a cultured nation could not adapt and survive should that particular phase end suddenly is naive and simplistic. Honestly DA, you and that Guardian of yours!! Tsk tsk!!

[DodgyAgent]

So why not say that rather than say it's because other Scots are envious?

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Because I have spoken to three scottish businessmen who have told me this

[snaw]

OK

My point is that Scotland has relatively little entrepreneurial spirit. most of the jobs are in the public sector. The scots north of the border are going to struggle whenthese public sector jobs are taken away from them along with tax subsidies that they currently "enjoy".

Scotland has (compared to say Ireland or london) a long way to go to find people to create wealth.

So why not say that rather than say it's because other Scots are envious?

It could be true, I suspect - with no real evidence - that there are plenty of entrepreneurial scots, but they move to where the money and the markets are - namely the south east. The challenge is reversing that trend so Scotland keeps the Scottish talent, and gets people like me (Skilled proffesionals) to move back to Scotland.

[SallyAnne]

I'm not sure how I feel about this.

I know I feel that there should be devolved power - the whole of the UK is WAY too London centric.

But I'd hate to see us split up into 4 completely seperate entities. I love the UK, and I love that all 4 countries are so incredibly different, and have 4 completely different identities. I love each one equally, and completely on its own merits.

This prejudice that some of you speak of only exists in theory - I've never met anyone yet from Scotland, N. Ireland or Wales who hasn't gone out of their way to be lovely to me (both when I've visited their homelands, or when I've met them abroad).

We DO have a common identity, and I for one am very very proud of it.

As a side point though - if Scotland DID break free, I'd want the borders to be moved down to just below Borough, cause I wouldn't want to be stuck with you Southern Tory pansies.

[DodgyAgent]

You're the one making the silly assumptions, you justify them.

You had a decent argument up till that point, but you habitually let yourself down when you start making assumptions about other peoples motives. It's your biggest weakness,

OK

My point is that Scotland has relatively little entrepreneurial spirit. most of the jobs are in the public sector. The scots north of the border are going to struggle whenthese public sector jobs are taken away from them along with tax subsidies that they currently "enjoy".

Scotland has (compared to say Ireland or london) a long way to go to find people to create wealth.

Even the Scottish office website acknowledges a need to foster an entrepreneurial spirit in scotland as opposed to "drinking spirits" which currently prevails there.

Skills for entrepreneurs
6.25 The Government firmly believes that Scotland's economic base needs a breadth of small businesses, which because of their size and flexibility are well placed to boost competitiveness; develop new products; provide opportunities for employment; stimulate growth; and create wealth. Small businesses, those with less than 50 employees, represent 98 per cent of all businesses in Scotland and provide 46 per cent of non-government jobs.
6.26 A flourishing small business sector is in large measure dependent upon better and more positive attitudes to responsible risk-taking throughout society. Society will need people with vision and aspiration to start their own businesses and to create employment and wealth for others. Employers, too, need people with the right skills and an enterprising attitude to make the most of the growth potential of their business. If a new entrepreneurial culture is to be created, it is important that young people are introduced to the excitement of entrepreneurship at an early age. Positive attitudes, confidence and self esteem are crucial building blocks for entrepreneurship, and can be utilised throughout life in business or employment. We need to foster a "can-do" mentality within society if we are to stimulate business creation and provide the type of employees now in demand by the corporate sector.

[snaw]

So why do they move then?

You're the one making the silly assumptions, you justify them.

You had a decent argument up till that point, but you habitually let yourself down when you start making assumptions about other peoples motives. It's your biggest weakness,

[DodgyAgent]

Eh, where did you come up with this guff? There's a very simple reason Scottish entrepreneurs move to England, and here's a clue - it's got SFA to do with other envious Scots.

So why do they move then?