Reply to: Free dosh for Scotland

[snaw]

You are missing the point snaw - if 7 mln people from outside greater London travel to London, then this is exactly why there should be incentives in place to ensure businesses that they travel to are located OUTSIDE of Greater London, this would cut down congestion big time and save taxpayers money!

Outside greater London doesn't nesecarily mean outside the M25 - it simply means you don't have a London postcode, in my part of London that equates to two more stops in the train through uninterrupted cityscape. Greater London isn't anything other than a political and bureaucratic definition. The actual city just keeps going. Which part of this can't you get your head around?

Anyone outside M25 should not really have to travel to London - if they do then something is wrong here because it is a non-sustaintable situation that only increases costs and congestion - new Crossrail will only carry a fraction of those millions that you allege travel to London, which is exactly why it is NOT a solution, and solution is to have ways that would make such travel to London from outside of it unnecessary unless it is for tourist like reasons.

The new crossrail is project to projected to carry 10% of the now 1 billion people who use the tube every year AtW. That's a lot of people.

[AtW]

No you didn't - you're being pedantic and backing out cause you know your wrong and clutching at straws - and yes, most of them would travel into London to work - that's why it's population increses to 17 million or so during the day.

You are missing the point snaw - if 7 mln people from outside greater London travel to London, then this is exactly why there should be incentives in place to ensure businesses that they travel to are located OUTSIDE of Greater London, this would cut down congestion big time and save taxpayers money!

Anyone outside M25 should not really have to travel to London - if they do then something is wrong here because it is a non-sustaintable situation that only increases costs and congestion - new Crossrail will only carry a fraction of those millions that you allege travel to London, which is exactly why it is NOT a solution, and solution is to have ways that would make such travel to London from outside of it unnecessary unless it is for tourist like reasons.

[snaw]

I caught you on a major factual error - about 2 times, this is changes your number from 25% to 11%, meaning that there are almost 90% taxpayers outside of London that pay their taxes to subsudise your lifestyle.



Do they all travel to work to inside M25? I might as well include whole of West Midlands to say it is metropolitan area of Birmingham and therefore count all their money as tax generated by Birmingham, which would clearly be incorrect as even Solihull is sufficiently far away.

No you didn't - you're being pedantic and backing out cause you know your wrong and clutching at straws - and yes, most of them would travel into London to work - that's why it's population increses to 17 million or so during the day.

The point,as stated - is that 25% or so of the UK's population lives in the London area - half of them don't have a London postcode ,but that's neither here nor there when it comes to this issues which affects them all which we're discussing. And that 25% generate a hell of a lot of tax revenue, and have every right to expect money to get spent on their transport system.

Clearly you don't get London if you think the people living here without a London postcode don't consider themselves as living in London.

[AtW]

He says it should be scarpped now.

He says it now because he is not in the office - if he was in the office he'd say his formulae was so successful that it survived the test of time under different Govts.

[IR35 Avoider]

The Barnett formula was a noble idea in its time

Barnett was on TV the other night, saying that when he invented the formula (in 1976?) it was a tactical manouvre to get himself out of a short-term problem, and he never intended it to last more than about 12 months. He was abolutely gobsmacked when the Conservatives maintained it throughout their time in office. He says it should be scrapped now.

(Edit: For those who think I can't spell/type s c r a p p e d, the board is overriding what I type.)

[AtW]

I caught you on a major factual error - about 2 times, this is changes your number from 25% to 11%, meaning that there are almost 90% taxpayers outside of London that pay their taxes to subsudise your lifestyle.

My point is still valid, metropolitan London encompasses around 25% of the UK's population.

Do they all travel to work to inside M25? I might as well include whole of West Midlands to say it is metropolitan area of Birmingham and therefore count all their money as tax generated by Birmingham, which would clearly be incorrect as even Solihull is sufficiently far away.

[snaw]

No, you were very specific saying Greater London!



Don't do Sandy on me snaw

You're splitting hairs, it's the same thing - the context of the conversation is talking about people who live in and around London, you know the ones who use the transport system we're discussing - most of us who live here call that greater London, not the London Metropolitan Area, which from a political perspective it is (Greater London is a political boundry, not an actual gap between London and the rest). Someone who lives in Twickenham - a couple of stops down the road considers themselves to live in London, even if they don't have a London postcode.

My point is still valid, metropolitan London encompasses around 25% of the UK's population.

[AtW]

I'm talking about the London metropolitan area AtW

No, you were very specific saying Greater London!

UK Population (2006) = 60,587,300
Greater London Population (2001 - I imagine it's gone up) = 13,945,000

How's that?

Don't do Sandy on me snaw

You point is sure that those 13 mln probably one way or another depend on work in London - this is possible, but this is exactly the problem - they travel to place which normally holds maybe 7 mln, so there is a need to move companies out of London so that those who travel from far away won't have to go past M25.

[snaw]

It covers 1579 km² (609 square miles) and had a 2006 mid-year estimated population of 7,512,400

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London

I'm talking about the London metropolitan area AtW, not the political boundry of greater London, it isn't the same thing as the number of people who actually live in and around London. I live in greater London, go a couple of stops more on the train and you're outside but I challenge you to find out where the green bit in the middle is.

[AtW]

Many more if you want to go search for them AtW, not like it's not common knowledge.

"The "official" London population - the London administrative area of thirty-two London boroughs and the City of London - was 7,517,700 as of mid 2005."

[DodgyAgent]

Looks like sense of humour in agents is totally options, much like brains

It was a joke thank god for that.

Here you are AtW:

apologies for missing it

[snaw]

UK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

London Metropolitan Area:

http://www.londononline.co.uk/factfile/population/

Many more if you want to go search for them AtW, not like it's not common knowledge.

[AtW]

Greater London Population (2001 - I imagine it's gone up) = 13,945,000

It covers 1579 km² (609 square miles) and had a 2006 mid-year estimated population of 7,512,400

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London

[snaw]

Why won't you say 50% or even 110% then? If you pull numbers from air you might as well go for bigger ones.

UK Population (2006) = 60,587,300
Greater London Population (2001 - I imagine it's gone up) = 13,945,000

How's that?

[AtW]

Do you really think that anyone is concerned with fire and plague risks in London???

Looks like sense of humour in agents is totally options, much like brains