Reply to: booing Frank Lampard

[wendigo100]

footballers 'slave away' (emotive, you should be a politician) too.. they don't walk into club academies asking for a job.. they slave away, practising and training every available opportunity to EARN the opportunity.

Indeed they do. And unlike doctors, only a very small proportion of the hopefuls make it.

edit: btw, and nor am I.

[barry_abs]

footballers 'slave away' too.. they don't walk into club academies asking for a job.. they slave away, practising and training every available opportunity to EARN the opportunity.

edit: btw, i'm definately not saying young doctors don't have it hard..

[AtW]

Where does Alexei get the impression that doctors are woefully underpaid?

Try young doctors who need to slave away a number of years before they are allowed to be full doctors. It is the same story as with trainee lawyers - you have to slave away first few years before you qualify.

[wendigo100]

it's all politics innit.. freedom to prosper organically in west european democratic, capitalist society is exactly why the spanish, italian and english leagues are rich and why so many people want to live this side of the former iron curtain.

That would be Alexei then.

[barry_abs]

it's all politics innit.. freedom to prosper organically in west european democratic, capitalist society is exactly why the spanish, italian and english leagues are rich and why so many people want to live this side of the former iron curtain.

[wendigo100]

How about this. Make it illegal for any UK football club to be a privately run/owned thing. Put all the clubs under a co-op arrangement. Each fan becomes a member when they buy season ticket. Any money made from ticket/sponsorship/merchandising goes to the club and profits are shared amongst the members.

Power to the people!

Well, power to The Big Three who already have the worldwide support with no-one else getting a look-in.

Don't encourage him. It's his soviet DNA.

[barry_abs]

it's a relative thing innit, doctors healing and saving and getting comparitive pittance for it.. that's more an NHS debate.

consultant doctors aren't underpaid.. or the specialist surgeons that treat sporting injuries..

[wendigo100]

however, it IS his money paying the woefully-underpaid-doctors-saving-lives he mentioned.. most people would agree that good doctors should be on triple the money.. would most people, however, accept the fat tax bill increase?

it doesn't matter WHO gets rich, cynical, depressed people will be on their case.. if it were doctors on £100K per week, GUARANTEED - they'd be getting EXACTLY THE SAME FLACK.

Where does Alexei get the impression that doctors are woefully underpaid?

[pisces]

has anybody read frank's book?

I don't take anyone serious when they have the name Frank, neither would I read their book

[AtW]

primadonnas don't stay overpaid for long.. if ashley cole doesn't shape up for chelsea this season he'll be offloaded and on half the money before he knows it.

I don't think greedy Cashley is actually the biggest primadonna - but he sure is greedy person without any sense of loyalty.

Of course I don't think anything that I suggest will happen - those clubs will be first to object because they won't be able to sell players for ridiculous amounts of money, effectively the whole system is debt based on inflated "value" of players that goes up and up: it is just a matter of time before it goes tits up.

[AtW]

How about this. Make it illegal for any UK football club to be a privately run/owned thing. Put all the clubs under a co-op arrangement. Each fan becomes a member when they buy season ticket. Any money made from ticket/sponsorship/merchandising goes to the club and profits are shared amongst the members.

Power to the people!

Sounds fine by me. But this action should be done at least across whole of Europe.

[barry_abs]

Secondly, it isn't your money paying those footballers, so why should their high wages worry you?

however, it IS his money paying the woefully-underpaid-doctors-saving-lives he mentioned.. most people would agree that good doctors should be on triple the money.. would most people, however, accept the fat tax bill increase?

it doesn't matter WHO gets rich, cynical, depressed people will be on their case.. if it were doctors on £100K per week, GUARANTEED - they'd be getting EXACTLY THE SAME FLACK.

[barry_abs]

they don't even entertain well because those overpaid chaps develop attitude of primadonnas.

primadonnas don't stay overpaid for long.. if ashley cole doesn't shape up for chelsea this season he'll be offloaded and on half the money before he knows it.

thing is: ashley earnt his premium.. after Euro 2004, with class attacking play and the shutting out of ronaldo, he became considered the world's best left back.. next thing, the pultry offer from arsenal of £65K per week had him "swerving off the road".. (what a bellend, i won't be buying HIS book!)

Salary cap should be world wide - made in such a way that local players playing in local clubs are allowed to have higher salary

the only way that any club could increase their players' salary would be to bring more revenue in.. rich european clubs will never agree to capping their players and subsidising poorer clubs (in order to spread the wealth).. also the fans of european football would complain, as a percentage of their TV subscription / turnstile money would be going to clubs they'll never see play, or want to see play.. directors / owners would complain.. corruption would be inevitable.. the politics involved would become horrendus!

[_V_]

They should drop prices for tickets for those fans that attend matches - also stop ripping people off with t-shirts and other stuff that has got totally rip off prices: clubs in the UK are pretty much insolvent as they give most of the money into players pockets, this is dead money - they don't create jobs, they don't even entertain well because those overpaid chaps develop attitude of primadonnas.

Salary cap should be world wide - made in such a way that local players playing in local clubs are allowed to have higher salary - this would encourage local talent to stay where it is. Of course Brazil, Argentina etc will be stuffed, but frankly they are not going to make anywhere near that money in their own countries anyway, so I think they have no grounds for complaint.

How about this. Make it illegal for any UK football club to be a privately run/owned thing. Put all the clubs under a co-op arrangement. Each fan becomes a member when they buy season ticket. Any money made from ticket/sponsorship/merchandising goes to the club and profits are shared amongst the members.

Power to the people!

[AtW]

football clubs are paid vaults of money so TV and fans can film/watch their TEAM.. if you cap the players salary, you endorse the board getting astonishingly wealthy and the players shortchanged.. much like the old (or current but dying) recording industry model..

They should drop prices for tickets for those fans that attend matches - also stop ripping people off with t-shirts and other stuff that has got totally rip off prices: clubs in the UK are pretty much insolvent as they give most of the money into players pockets, this is dead money - they don't create jobs, they don't even entertain well because those overpaid chaps develop attitude of primadonnas.

Salary cap should be world wide - made in such a way that local players playing in local clubs are allowed to have higher salary - this would encourage local talent to stay where it is. Of course Brazil, Argentina etc will be stuffed, but frankly they are not going to make anywhere near that money in their own countries anyway, so I think they have no grounds for complaint.