Reply to: Why contracting is good only in the UK-US?

[wendigo100]

You want to by a motorway, are you mad or do you have more money than sense?

I thought I'd buy the M10 as a starter motorway, then save up for something like the M69.

[Addanc]

... This time however, I'm going to charge them a lot more (so it could be very beneficial to the M5 I want to buy shortly)

You want to by a motorway, are you mad or do you have more money than sense?

[OwlHoot]

Maybe things would be different had France come in on the side of the Confederacy during the Civil War.

Different for a week or two, until HMS Warrior steamed up to the French fleet and blew it to matchwood

HMS Warrior was to be the fastest, largest and most powerful warship in the world and was launched on 29th December 1860. The ship was considered to be an impregnable floating fortress and made all other warships in the world obselete.

Edit: Mind you, maybe that's a bit simplistic because Britain also had slight leanings towards the Confederacy on account of the cotton trade. Caused quite a bit of hard feeling with the US for years after the American Civil War (1860 - 1865), particularly the Alabama Claims

[Methuselah]

Milan, you are right. Every year hundreds of thousands of foreign people go to work to London for the food and for the weather.

True!

Food? Paris is superior for Cuisine Française, and possibly Moroccan; in any other, you can find better in London. Some you just can't find in Paris.

Weather? Rainfall in L/sq. m: Paris 641, London 599.
Rainy days per year: Paris 75, London 70.
(source: Metéo-France)

[milanbenes]

Franko,

have you ever wondered to yourself, maybe I am wrong ?

You question Darmstadt's knowledge on the subject of rates in his area and ask if he has been a long time away from the UK yet you forget that on jobserve one can do searches against the UK or Europe and it only good practive for a contractor to compare the respective rates for his skill set and know where the market is.

A word of advice, perhaps, and this is only a guess, perhaps you would be more successful yourself if you would open your mind and listen to the feedback of others. Just a feeling I am getting from watching this and other recent threads.

All the best old chap,

Milan.

[Francko]

to be clear,

Franko = the font of all knowledge

Milan.

Milan, you are right. Every year hundreds of thousands of foreign people go to work to London for the food and for the weather.

Darmstad, I understand your point but perhaps you are more of an exception then a rule (or perhaps it's a long time you haven't been actively looking in the UK?).

[milanbenes]

I shouldn't, but I will,

ROTFLMFAO,

it was the smiley what did it :-)

Milan.

[Churchill]

Francko is on your ignore list because he knows **** all about **** all.

[milanbenes]

no Darmstadt !

you don't seem to get it

Franko is the expert (kind of slowly replacing AtW as the expert of everything)

and what Franko says must be correct

If you don't believe me, just read his BMer's thread and you will be enlightened

Milan.

[darmstadt]

For my skillset, mainland Europe (primarily the norther countries) is on average €80-€100 per hour, UK is €40-€60 per hour (can be more depending on certain skills, but not much) and the US is $35-$75 per hour. Not much to decide then really.

[Not So Wise]

I would not include US in good for contracting category, between the big consultancies (who were one of the main backers of IR35 over here so they could "compete" with local contractors) and the general lack of employment rights/protections I would say the contracting market is rather small, actually when taken into context of the size of the US market, it's tiny

[milanbenes]

to be clear,

Franko = the font of all knowledge

Milan.

[Francko]

For Germany, Belgium & Holland it is possible. Of course there are different tax scenarios to take into account, but it can be done.

Not sure about Switzerland or Scandanavia though.

I don't think it's that common. More like 5-600 euros for very good specialists. Of course, if you have tremendous skills you might get 1000 euros even in northern europe but then you would have to compare your rate with a 1000 pounds rate in blighty. France-Spain-Italy you'd be lucky to get 250. Switzerland, the highest I have heard so far is 1200 francs a day (700 euros - 480 pounds a day).

[Euro-commuter]

Hmmm, does that rule always hold true? My meal ticket is Siebel but the rates for the high end skills are in the same range as SAP.

In France, Spain & Italy you have no chance of getting 800-1000 per day.

For Germany, Belgium & Holland it is possible. Of course there are different tax scenarios to take into account, but it can be done.

Not sure about Switzerland or Scandanavia though.

Switzerland: like Germany or better.

[Rantor]

But not for the money. If you manage to be a little impartial (and that's very hard for you so I doubt you can make it), you may observe that as a SAP specialist in the UK you would be able to get 5-600 pounds a day without a strong political network. Add to this that taxes as a contractor are lower than a permie job then it is easy to calculate. In the mainland you get similar salaries for permanent positions but you are not going to get 800-1000 euros a day (and you end up paying higher taxes than in UK).

Hmmm, does that rule always hold true? My meal ticket is Siebel but the rates for the high end skills are in the same range as SAP.

In France, Spain & Italy you have no chance of getting 800-1000 per day.

For Germany, Belgium & Holland it is possible. Of course there are different tax scenarios to take into account, but it can be done.

Not sure about Switzerland or Scandanavia though.