Reply to: citi - project / programme management??

[Muttley08]

More violence !

And a classic answer, sod Prince, just get moving, it doesn't matter where. Just look like you are doing something...

Or stop writing about how you're going to do it...and just get on with it...

Muttley in wind-up the PO types mode

[Lucy]

Or maybe it's a valid Project Management Methodology....sod Prince.....just get a wriggle on, or I'll clip you round the ear!!!

More violence !

And a classic answer, sod Prince, just get moving, it doesn't matter where. Just look like you are doing something...

[Muttley08]

Why does it always end in violence?

Or maybe it's a valid Project Management Methodology....sod Prince.....just get a wriggle on, or I'll clip you round the ear!!!

[chicane]

Why does it always end in violence?

It's the only language they understand.

[Muttley08]

Why does it always end in violence?

Because I don't know any better

[Lucy]

Perhaps we should just burn anyone involved in the PO at the stake???

Why does it always end in violence?

[Muttley08]

Back on the topic, I went on a CITI course a few years ago now that was quite good. I think it's useful to get a taster of P2, as well as others....

P2 is OK, like anything though, the skill is how to use it....you see a lot PM's producing poor docs that arent achieving much, because the Project Office dictates you should.

Perhaps we should just burn anyone involved in the PO at the stake???

[Xenophon]

I am the Tsar of project management. All you need for project success is me.

HTH

[sasguru]

That's what I meant by "nouse".

I have no nouse at all. I wish I knew what it was. Most people do think I have some nous though.

HTH

[Peter Loew]

I fully agree and, in addition, there are so many companies that think they only have to educate their PM's in P2 and everyone else hasn't got a clue about it!

Agreed. One of the things I find unfortunate is when I set up projects to P2 structures and someone in the project resource list moans because he actually has to produce a HLD or some other kind of deliverable.

In my current environment, one of my off-the-record projects is a culture change... teams here have to get used to doing things by the book. At least that's what senior management in this international services company want to enforce...

[Lucy]

I fully agree and, in addition, there are so many companies that think they only have to educate their PM's in P2 and everyone else hasn't got a clue about it!

Unlike this insurance company who have spent a fortune training everyone but everyone in it and still they don't understand.

[Mustang]

I agree with the former part of that statement.

But not everyone can manage projects. If you have the right personality and attitude, then you can manage a project without knowing what a highlight report is, a PBS is, or what any other [insert here] is. If you are not much of an interactive person, your project will fail.

The question is, how many people really do have the right attitude and interactive skills to manage a project? I think not many, and despite P2 standards, one good reason why projects fail is because the person is not right for the PM role.

I fully agree and, in addition, there are so many companies that think they only have to educate their PM's in P2 and everyone else hasn't got a clue about it!

[Cowboy Bob]

But not everyone can manage projects. If you have the right personality and attitude, then you can manage a project without knowing what a highlight report is, a PBS is, or what any other [insert here] is.

That's what I meant by "nouse".

[Peter Loew]

All these acronyms and qualifications are there just make it look harder than it is to manage a project - and to justify permie salaries. Just get on with it. Anyone with any nouse can plan and manage a project.

I agree with the former part of that statement.

But not everyone can manage projects. If you have the right personality and attitude, then you can manage a project without knowing what a highlight report is, a PBS is, or what any other [insert here] is. If you are not much of an interactive person, your project will fail.

The question is, how many people really do have the right attitude and interactive skills to manage a project? I think not many, and despite P2 standards, one good reason why projects fail is because the person is not right for the PM role.

[Peter Loew]

Well, indeed. However, I my brief is to apply governance to an out of control programme, with a nutty manager. The company's standard is P2, but I can't find a single person who knows what a PBS is.

I have worked in places where they claim to go by P2 standards, and yet everyone gets edgy when I define the PBS's because nobody, techies specifically, wants to produce any of the actual deliverables. Go figure.

P