Reply to: Question for the experts: Cat5, RJ45's and finishing the cables

[Ardesco]

what's the point of the patch panel why not go straight into the switch or is the patch panel another way to get the naive to buy stuff they don't need ?

Milan.

ps thanks for the links

you may not want to use all ports for networking, I Use a few network ports for phone at home, just make sure you either put RJ45 connectors on the phone line, or use RJ45 convertors. Don't ram an RJ11 into the patch panel, it will work but may damage a couple of pins dering that port useless if you ever decide to use it for network again.

[The Lone Gunman]

We run our Mitel phone system on "power over ethernet".

No reason you shouldnt. Just seperate circuits for power and cat5 can generate too much noise for the SNR of most modems.
Shared earths, noise reducing circuits and special modems all help.

[Churchill]

I dont want to upset you, but you may find that your network is buggered before you start.
Cat5 and power dont mix well.

Back boxes are standard. Face plates will fit.
Leave the cable with at least 1 coil (just incase you make a mistake) more if you have the room.

We run our Mitel phone system on "power over ethernet".

[milanbenes]

LG,

thanks,

I just checked, plugs are in separate banks of 'backboxes'

minimum couple of foot from cat5 and coax banks of backboxes'

Milan.

[The Lone Gunman]

LG,

many thanks the cat5's in each room are already coiled up in their backboxes in the same blocks with the power sockets

so, I'll findout which company's back boxes we've got and get the face plates from them and nip to me local GEEK SHOP for the pusher tool.

Cheers,

Milan.

I dont want to upset you, but you may find that your network is buggered before you start.
Cat5 and power dont mix well.

Back boxes are standard. Face plates will fit.
Leave the cable with at least 1 coil (just incase you make a mistake) more if you have the room.

[gingerjedi]

what's the point of the patch panel why not go straight into the switch or is the patch panel another way to get the naive to buy stuff they don't need ?

Milan.

ps thanks for the links

If you have 100 connections in one cabinet it would be catalogued so each connection would correspond to a given outlet which is a lot easier than having 100 cables to sort through when you need to re-patch.

In your case it’s not really necessary.

[milanbenes]

what's the point of the patch panel why not go straight into the switch or is the patch panel another way to get the naive to buy stuff they don't need ?

Milan.

ps thanks for the links

[Chugnut]

LG,

many thanks the cat5's in each room are already coiled up in their backboxes in the same blocks with the power sockets

so, I'll findout which company's back boxes we've got and get the face plates from them and nip to me local GEEK SHOP for the pusher tool.

Cheers,

Milan.

Chances are the manufacturer of the back boxes won't make the face plates for them. It won't matter though; they are standard sizes so that any type of single or double socket, switch, phone, aerial, etc. will fit.

I used tlc-direct modular type. I wanted MK but they didn't make RJ45 wall plates at the time, and probably still don't either. Obviously, they can be swapped out at for a more aesthetic type at a later time if needs be, provided there's enough cable in the wall to re-punch the wires.

Linky

[Clippy]

Clipper,

if you read the thread before asking...

'Couple of points:

1) As highlighted above, why are you not inserting these ends into a patch panel?
'


because there ain't no ends on the bleeding cables because I need to put the ends onto the cables and then I can plug em into the patch panel or switch

ends = rj45 connectors by the way


LG, thanks I check their website. To confirm I have two choices for the rooms, to bye the female rj45s and crimp them or to buy complete face panels and ram the cat5 in with the special tool.


Milan.

If you do your homework before posting...

You'll find standard practice is not to finish off the 'switch end' of the cable with RJ45 plugs but to terminate directly into a patch panel and to then patch the patch-panel and the network switch.

Example

[milanbenes]

LG,

many thanks the cat5's in each room are already coiled up in their backboxes in the same blocks with the power sockets

so, I'll findout which company's back boxes we've got and get the face plates from them and nip to me local GEEK SHOP for the pusher tool.

Cheers,

Milan.

[The Lone Gunman]

Clipper,

if you read the thread before asking...

'Couple of points:

1) As highlighted above, why are you not inserting these ends into a patch panel?
'


because there ain't no ends on the bleeding cables because I need to put the ends onto the cables and then I can plug em into the patch panel or switch

ends = rj45 connectors by the way


LG, thanks I check their website. To confirm I have two choices for the rooms, to bye the female rj45s and crimp them or to buy complete face panels and ram the cat5 in with the special tool.


Milan.

I will try and keep this simple.
For a neat finish in your room you need a socket (female part) for your flying leads to plug into.
This socket will come as a complete face plate or as part of a modular system that will clip into a face plate.
Either way the wires in the wall will need to be terminated to the back of the socket. This requires a special push tool.

You will also need a back box for the face plate to mount to. These are exactly the same as the back boxes on your power sockets.

[milanbenes]

Clipper,

if you read the thread before asking...

'Couple of points:

1) As highlighted above, why are you not inserting these ends into a patch panel?
'


because there ain't no ends on the bleeding cables because I need to put the ends onto the cables and then I can plug em into the patch panel or switch

ends = rj45 connectors by the way


LG, thanks I check their website. To confirm I have two choices for the rooms, to bye the female rj45s and crimp them or to buy complete face panels and ram the cat5 in with the special tool.


Milan.

[The Lone Gunman]

try http://www.proteusswitchgear.co.uk/p...p?category=357

[The Lone Gunman]

LG,

thanks for the info.

I am not making fly leads, the house is brand new, and is finishing being built, and before the walls were plastered I had the men run cat5 round the whole house, 2 cables to each room coming back to a central point - it is these cables that I now need to finish.

You said CEF do a nice kit, where can I buy that kit, anywhere online ? and what is CEF ?

Thanks,

Milan.

I know what you are doing.
I dint say "a nice kit" they dont do a kit. I said it is "nice kit" as in good stuff (well I like it).

City Electrical Factors. You can find them on line on Google. They will have an outlet near you.
There are cheaper places.

[Clippy]

Morning All,

I know we've been on this subject before but there's a new question.

Following the advice here I bought a very nice rj45 connector crimping tool and a bag of rj45's, I have enough spare cable to do some practicing with and then I will put the rj45 connectors on the ends of the cables by the network switch.

But... now the question, where all the cables are, by the network switch they will need rj45 connectors and I can crimp those rj45 connectors on with the new crimping tool,

but...

what about the other end of all the cables, in all the rooms there are two cat5 bare cables hanging out of the wall

I just realised I won't be putting rj45's on these because these will be the sockets

well what do I do now,

can I buy the sockets (pin-outs as they seem to be called) as a whole unit and just push the cable in ?

or do I need to buy the female version of the rj45 and crimp that on but I can't find any for sale

what to do experts ?

Milan.

Couple of points:

1) As highlighted above, why are you not inserting these ends into a patch panel?

2) Answer to your question, as already mentioned, is a punch-down tool
e.g. http://tinyurl.com/2rx4kh

3) Shouldn't this be in Technical?