Reply to: What does a Cameron led conservative party offer?

[sunnysan]

Why Vote

For me the fundemental point of voting, would be to exercise my right as a citizen of a state, to contribute to a change or continuation of leadership which I feel firstly is in my interest, and secondly in the interests of the country.

In order to do this you need to be able to choose a party which stands for the the principles that you believe are right for you.

With NL and Tories there is an idealogy surrounding both parties which is confusing and contradictory, with the effect of the modern media being that sound and tangible policies are being sidelined for short term popularist measures and positioning. In this environment, I cannot really see any party implementing sound, strong policies with direction

Nobody votes because there is nothing to vote for. There is no tangible distinction between ideologies in the media haze.

[swamp]

What does a Cameron led conservative party offer?

Possible end of IR35.
Probable end of S660.
Probable lower corporation tax for small businesses.
No IR35 MkII for "Personal Service Companies" -- this term has been suspiciously introduced with the MSC legistation.
No S660 MkII (if HMRC lose on Wednesday).
End of all talk that blurs tax avoidance with evasion.

[Ardesco]

You're dreaming if you think the "New" Tories led by Cameron will do any of that!

Cameron maybe not, but all the old style tories are still in the party and a lot of them know how to run a country. As long as Cameron is the mouthpeice and he lets the people who know what they are doing get on with running the country it should work out ok.

The risk is that he starts beliving his crap and doesn't listen to the people who know what they are doing when the tories finally get back into power (if ever...)

[gingerjedi]

A smash of glass and a rumble of boots
An electric train and a ripped up 'phone booth
Paint splattered walls and the cry of a tomcat
Lights going out and a kick in the balls

That's Entertainment.


The Jam were great.

[Let-Me-In]

The public wants what the public gets
But I don't get what this society wants
I'm going underground...

First record I ever bought...

[gingerjedi]

The public wants what the public gets
But I don't get what this society wants
I'm going underground...

[Causus Deli]

Well I don't know what has changed since he had over a 10 point lead only a few weeks ago. Surely not Brown, the Michael Foot of this generation? It just goes to show that the British public have not a clue, probably as a consequence of attention deficit syndrome.

[Old Greg]

There are two types of people in this world. Those who believe that everyone should be left to get on with their lives on their own and take responsibilities accordingly, and those that believe in collectivism. We have too much of the latter which is as good a reason as any for swapping NL with the Tories.

Dodgy - that's a very binary view of the world. I think things are a bit more nuanced, and that most people sit on a continuum somewhere between Soviet-style collectivism and American extreme libertarianism.

[DodgyAgent]

There are two types of people in this world. Those who believe that everyone should be left to get on with their lives on their own and take responsibilities accordingly, and those that believe in collectivism. We have too much of the latter which is as good a reason as any for swapping NL with the Tories.

[wendigo100]

Cameron's public face is all about getting elected, not being a tory.

These days, this means being a mealy-mouthed airhead.

He might have gone too far though.

[Devlin]

The one bonus I can think of is that we will get that arse brown out of office. Also historically the tories have been much better at managing the economy than labour and i would expect that to continue. Would be nice to stop all these multi billion payouts to thrid world countries when we could invest a large proportion of that money internally and do some real good.

(Better road infrastructure, better railway infrastructure, better flood defences, etc)

Would be nice to get some capitalists in to remove some of the bloody pointless red tape that nu liemore have created too.

You're dreaming if you think the "New" Tories led by Cameron will do any of that!

[Ardesco]

The one bonus I can think of is that we will get that arse brown out of office. Also historically the tories have been much better at managing the economy than labour and i would expect that to continue. Would be nice to stop all these multi billion payouts to thrid world countries when we could invest a large proportion of that money internally and do some real good.

(Better road infrastructure, better railway infrastructure, better flood defences, etc)

Would be nice to get some capitalists in to remove some of the bloody pointless red tape that nu liemore have created too.

[DodgyAgent]

Serious question.

Not much in my opinion.

Agreed, but a lot more than NL

[Let-Me-In]

None of the above and if less than 51% of the people vote there is a re-election

And if they vote "none of the above" at the re-election? Kind of like a merry go round.....

[wendigo100]

If sufficient numbers of people check that as their choice it might finally make the politicians wake up and realize that they need to get off of their smug, complacent, self satisfied arses and actually do some good.

I doubt it. Politicians don't care much about turnout, as long as the numbers put them into power. In fact, low turnout means that their activists have more impact.

Unfortunately the majority of people in the country seem to have the intelligence and motivation of a wire coat hanger so the chances of it happening are slim.

Which is another reason why I doubt it would do any good.