Reply to: How good is Lewis Hamilton

[sasguru]

Many girls like motorsport these days, get with the times girl!

So how is your dyke flatmate anyway?

[Bagpuss]

This is why you don't have a girlfriend.

Many girls like motorsport these days, get with the times girl!

[sasguru]

The reason was he had damage from coming off, so he'd lost downforce. The McClaren is infinitely better than the Super Aguri, if undamaged. Don't believe the muppets on the ITV coverage (apart from Brundle).

The point is hamilton so far is performing as JV did. JV is not considered one of the greats, which shows how important the car is. Don't get me wrong the kid is good, but most top ten drivers would have had similar results.

The best rookie in recent years was Raikonnen, when he came into F1 he had driven in only 23 car races which led schumacher to say he would be dangerous , infact he was brilliant.

This is why you don't have a girlfriend.

[Bagpuss]

Their cars aren't that much better. Alonso got skinned at the weekend by the Japanese chap simply because he had softer tyres.

The reason was he had damage from coming off, so he'd lost downforce. The McClaren is infinitely better than the Super Aguri, if undamaged. Don't believe the muppets on the ITV coverage (apart from Brundle).

The point is hamilton so far is performing as JV did. JV is not considered one of the greats, which shows how important the car is. Don't get me wrong the kid is good, but most top ten drivers would have had similar results.

The best rookie in recent years was Raikonnen, when he came into F1 he had driven in only 23 car races which led schumacher to say he would be dangerous , infact he was brilliant.

[XTC]

Their cars aren't that much better. Alonso got skinned at the weekend by the Japanese chap simply because he had softer tyres.

[Bagpuss]

Yes, but there's a big difference between being 60 seconds behind your more experienced teammate but still getting second because the car has such a big advantage, and performing more or less the same as your more experienced teammate and sometimes beating him.

I'm a bit sick of the media coverage, but he undoubtedly has talent.

See Jacques Villeneuve above. All of what you said was true of him too.

[wendigo100]

The debate about Hamilton's Academic.

[VectraMan]

Yes, but there's a big difference between being 60 seconds behind your more experienced teammate but still getting second because the car has such a big advantage, and performing more or less the same as your more experienced teammate and sometimes beating him.

I'm a bit sick of the media coverage, but he undoubtedly has talent.

[Bagpuss]

Ok here's another rookie who had the best car, Is JV one of the greats?

1996 Jacques Villeneuve

Grand Prix/Date/Team/Grid/Race Pos
Australian 10/03/1996 Williams-Renault 1 2
Brazilian 31/03/1996 Williams-Renault 3 Ret
Argentine 07/04/1996 Williams-Renault 3 2
European 28/04/1996 Williams-Renault 2 1
San Marino 05/05/1996 Williams-Renault 3 11
Monaco 19/05/1996 Williams-Renault 10 Ret
Spanish 02/06/1996 Williams-Renault 2 3
Canadian 16/06/1996 Williams-Renault 2 2
French 30/06/1996 Williams-Renault 6 2
British 14/07/1996 Williams-Renault 2 1
German 28/07/1996 Williams-Renault 6 3
Hungarian 11/08/1996 Williams-Renault 3 1
Belgian 25/08/1996 Williams-Renault 1 2
Italian 08/09/1996 Williams-Renault 2 7
Portuguese 22/09/1996 Williams-Renault 2 1
Japanese 13/10/1996 Williams-Renault 1 Ret

Championship 2nd

4 wins, 3 poles, 12 podiums

under the current points system would have prob been champion

[wendigo100]

He's still good though.

So was Button but he preferred the playboy side of things - shagging, partying and all that stuff. I can't understand it myself.

[Bagpuss]

He has the same car as Alonso who has far more experience. Yes he has the best car and it's almost a shame he does because people are implying without it he wouldn't be winning. He has an enourmous amount of talent. For a rookie to come into F1 and do what he has done in his first year is pretty incredible.

That's because without the best car he wouldn't be winning (he's won 1). The rookie thing is hyperbole because few rookies get a good seat. Jos Verstappen used to beat schumacher in karts, he never had a top drive so was never anywhere in F1. Mika Salo was on the pace straight away for Ferrari when schumacher broke his leg. It's much easier in the best car.

[XTC]

How many rookies start in the best car?

He has the same car as Alonso who has far more experience. Yes he has the best car and it's almost a shame he does because people are implying without it he wouldn't be winning. He has an enourmous amount of talent. For a rookie to come into F1 and do what he has done in his first year is pretty incredible.

[Bagpuss]

Damon Hill did.
Any then they put him in the Arrows.
Poor thing.

Yes and he almost won a grand prix in it, until the gearbox stuck. Also, Hill wasn't one of the greats but almost won in his first year thanks to the car.
So let's not get all ITV F1 just yet.

[chicane]

Damon Hill did.
Any then they put him in the Arrows.
Poor thing.

[Bagpuss]

How many rookies start in the best car?