Reply to: So What Came First?

[wendigo100]

Butterfly.

Never finished anything.

I used to program in Babbage. Nice language at the time.

[Bluebird]

And what about the guys & guyesses who design the hardware the programs run on?

And what about the process engineers who design the processes that make the ics that the design engineers design that the programs run on?

And what about the guys who design the machines that the process engineers use to make the chips that the design engineers design that the programs run on?

and what about Mr Babbage ?

[DS23]

And what about the guys & guyesses who design the hardware the programs run on?

And what about the process engineers who design the processes that make the ics that the design engineers design that the programs run on?

And what about the guys who design the machines that the process engineers use to make the chips that the design engineers design that the programs run on?

they were all swallowed by an old lady who swallowed a fly.

[oraclesmith]

I guess with hardware it depends on whether you design it or just plug it in.

[Euro-commuter]

It's lucky that most companies operate at inefficient levels. In any one year they could sack 25% of staff with no impact to the business.

If you sacked 25% at random, what is the chance of not improving the business?

[sasguru]

And what about the guys & guyesses who design the hardware the programs run on?

And what about the process engineers who design the processes that make the ics that the design engineers design that the programs run on?

And what about the guys who design the machines that the process engineers use to make the chips that the design engineers design that the programs run on?

Commodity skills, all.

[sasguru]

Where does that leave YOU sg, bearing in mind you are straddled by the slug and the lettuce?

Several rungs above you, Mr. plankton.

[NoddY]

Both types are so poor they have to sell their labour so they are all scum.

[shaunbhoy]

There is a food chain.

Where does that leave YOU sg, bearing in mind you are straddled by the slug and the lettuce?

[thunderlizard]

I'm more on the software side but I have always respected people who know stuff I haven't a clue about, so I don't see any pecking order.
But while I've met loads of desktop support people who are looking to move into development, I haven't seen any traffic in the opposite direction.

[wendigo100]

The geeks shall inherit the Earth.

[Euro-commuter]

The hardware or the code?

The code is what make computers different. It's what makes them computers.

Do certain individuals on this forum believe so much in their own self-appointed superiority becuase they code more than support the kit needed to run the code on?

Oh, yes.

Do they think there is some kind of 'food chain' in the IT sector?

There always has been.

Does IT need such arrogance that peddles a myth that certain types of people who work in IT are superior on the basis of what they can do instead of the range and value of skils they bring to the industry?

It's no myth. And it's not arrogance, it's a quiet and well-justifed self-satisfied glow.

HTH

[threaded]

I don't think people feel superior because of what they do. I think they feel superior because they get paid more than other people. Generally speaking, management get paid more than developers, and developers get paid more than support monkeys.

Quite how justified this feeling of superiority is, I'm not sure.

Ah, grasshopper, once you realize that such things are transitory, one is on the path to enlightenment.

[sasguru]

There is a quick and easy way to find out how important you are in the scheme of things. If the company was taken over by another (similar) one, so there was a duplication of functions, would they keep you on?
Either your value-added is worth it or you're redundant.
It's lucky that most companies operate at inefficient levels. In any one year they could sack 25% of staff with no impact to the business.

[chicane]

Do certain individuals on this forum believe so much in their own self-appointed superiority becuase they code more than support the kit needed to run the code on? Do they think there is some kind of 'food chain' in the IT sector?

I don't think people feel superior because of what they do. I think they feel superior because they get paid more than other people. Generally speaking, management get paid more than developers, and developers get paid more than support monkeys.

Quite how justified this feeling of superiority is, I'm not sure.