Reply to: UK police state : police allowed stop and quiz

[lilelvis2000]

One could then argue that freedom also covers the right to carry knives etc.

Nothing wrong with carrying knives. I carry a small one for those odd times I need one. And, obviously, making them illegal has kept them off the street. not!

[angusglover]

But this is strictly for Muslims and no one else! So you can sleep sound.

"I've nothing to hide" is such a silly rationalisation. The word "freedom" truely has lost its meaning.

One could then argue that freedom also covers the right to carry knives etc.

[wendigo100]

Was the tide out at the time?

Haven't been yet. I piled my life savings into it as a pension investment. I was advised to get in early.

[lilelvis2000]

I think stopping and searching is a good idea. I have nothing to hide and if it helps catch terrorists, nutters carrrying knives or gun and drug dealers, then for a little bit of inconvenience it seems fine to me.

My only worry is that it gives Muslims another way of claiming persecution. As soon as one is stopped, that's it "I am being persecuted for being Muslim"....

But this is strictly for Muslims and no one else! So you can sleep sound.

"I've nothing to hide" is such a silly rationalisation. The word "freedom" truely has lost its meaning.

[wendigo100]

There was a documentary a short while ago about this, most of these companies seem to be US based (though there was a Chinese one as well, though recently shut down) but as Troll said the US does not claim ownership of the moon, there is actually some type of international agreement that no country can claim the moon or any part of it. But this is also the loophole these companies use, aka they are not countries so not actually excluded from claiming ownership.

Thus they exist in a legal void but it is generally accepted they and their "deeds of ownership" have no legal standing. But regardless of this seems they make very good money selling worthless pieces of paper, one company was estimated to have made millions, guess the saying about a sucker born every minute is true

What? I bought land on a beach on the Sea of Tranquility!

[Mailman]

So how big is your holdings on the moon then?

Anyways...for a police state England isnt as restrictive as I thought it would be!

Mailman

[Not So Wise]

It was only said in jest - however it would be interesting to see who owns those companies that "sell" acres on the moon for them gifts that people give to the man that has everything - what claim do they have on the moon to be able to sell acres or whatever measurement they use

There was a documentary a short while ago about this, most of these companies seem to be US based (though there was a Chinese one as well, though recently shut down) but as Troll said the US does not claim ownership of the moon, there is actually some type of international agreement that no country can claim the moon or any part of it. But this is also the loophole these companies use, aka they are not countries so not actually excluded from claiming ownership.

Thus they exist in a legal void but it is generally accepted they and their "deeds of ownership" have no legal standing. But regardless of this seems they make very good money selling worthless pieces of paper, one company was estimated to have made millions, guess the saying about a sucker born every minute is true

[Mailman]

I think this is a good idea BUT seeing as this is England there is scope for this to be f8cked up royally by the PC brigade!

The only way this legislation will ever work is if they target the groups who are most at risk of committing terrorist attacks, namely the followers of the religion of piece

Them and young black males!

Now, as Im a highly paid permy I live in Canary Wharf...I wish the police state would hurry up and arrive there so all those little jihadi's running around will get banged up (or detonated, Im not fussy)

Mailman

[fzbucks]

When did it claim it? my recollection of the moon landings was " We came in peace for all mankind" but concede they did unfurl American Flags.

but then again... "After the successful landings on the Moon, the U.S. explicitly disclaimed the right to ownership of any part of the Moon."

It was only said in jest - however it would be interesting to see who owns those companies that "sell" acres on the moon for them gifts that people give to the man that has everything - what claim do they have on the moon to be able to sell acres or whatever measurement they use

[Troll]

Well America claimed it so i suppose it's just a matter of time

When did it claim it? my recollection of the moon landings was " We came in peace for all mankind" but concede they did unfurl American Flags.

but then again... "After the successful landings on the Moon, the U.S. explicitly disclaimed the right to ownership of any part of the Moon."

[shoes]

As soon as one is stopped, that's it "I am being persecuted for being Muslim"....

You are being persecuted for being mental. Sounds fair enough. As long as subscribers to all religions are treated equally as though they are as mental as eachother then I don't see an issue.

[angusglover]

I think stopping and searching is a good idea. I have nothing to hide and if it helps catch terrorists, nutters carrrying knives or gun and drug dealers, then for a little bit of inconvenience it seems fine to me.

My only worry is that it gives Muslims another way of claiming persecution. As soon as one is stopped, that's it "I am being persecuted for being Muslim"....

[fzbucks]

It's the only place the human race hasn't buggered up yet

Well America claimed it so i suppose it's just a matter of time

[wizard1974uk]

Is the moon a continent?

It's the only place the human race hasn't buggered up yet

[lilelvis2000]

I got stopped and searched in Liverpool Street under the Terrorism Act 1 year ago. They checked the details I gave them by radio and seached my bag and patted me down.

So they can do it anyway, whats all the fuss about?

I think currently then can declare areas where they have these powers, right? Say how about that old man from the Labour conference a couple of years back. he was prevented from returning under the TA?

This is all a gimick as there are so many existing powers the Police have that the TA is mainly redundant laws. Its just something the keep people fearing the "next bomb" - unless we have these powers.