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So these days we rely on GPS and online transport planners to get us from A to B, and then wonder why we're so crippled. There's always alternative routes and options. I live not far from that AstraZeneca site and I work near Preston. I use the train station at Manchester Airport, 4 miles from my house, because it has a direct link to the station by work. If I went from the train station 1 mile from my house then I'd have to change twice, and that's what the online planner would suggest.
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I like the carefully-planned 1 min walking time. Have you seen the Journey Planner itineraries that have you changing tube lines in London in 0 mins?
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For a return, I would have to leave the site for a 16:13 bus - not great considering I got there for 9:42
Depart: 16:13* Walk to: Princess Rd/Barlow Moor Rd (stop E)
Bus Depart: 16:24 Princess Rd/Barlow Moor Rd (stop E) Service Number: 101
Provider: Stagecoach Manchester
Arrive: 16:45 Piccadilly Gardens (stop N)
Walk Depart: 16:45* Piccadilly Gardens (stop N)
Arrive: 16:46* PICCADILLY GARDENS (Metrolink), MANCHESTER PICCADILLY GA, Manchester
Metro Depart: 16:52 PICCADILLY GARDENS (Metrolink), MANCHESTER PICCADILLY GA, Manchester Provider: Metrolink
Arrive: 16:57 MANCHESTER VICTORIA, MANCHESTER VICTORIA STAT, Manchester
Walk Depart: 16:57* MANCHESTER VICTORIA, MANCHESTER VICTORIA STAT, Manchester
Arrive: 16:58* MANCHESTER VICTORIA (rail)
Rail Depart: 17:03 MANCHESTER VICTORIA (rail) Provider: Northern Rail
Arrive: 17:25 ROCHDALE (rail)
Walk Depart: 17:25* ROCHDALE (rail)
Arrive: 17:27* Maclure Rd/Rochdale Rail Stn (stop D)
Bus Depart: 17:41* Maclure Rd/Rochdale Rail Stn (stop D) Service Number: 471
Provider: First
Arrive: 17:45 Rochdale Bus Station SMITH ST
Bus Depart: 17:53 Rochdale Bus Station SMITH ST Service Number: 461
Provider: Rossendale Transport
Arrive: 18:04 Scarfield Drive
Walk Arrive: 18:11*
I couldn't leave any later than the 16:13 and get home by public transport.
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A few years ago I had a job at an Astra Zeneca site on the south side of manchester, on one of the major routes in and out of the city. I live 12 miles north of Manchester - so I needed a bus into the city and one out and figured that this should be doable. It wasn't - I have just been on the greater manchester transport journey planner to see if things have changed.
It was not possible to get a route from home to the site for a 9 am start
below is what I would need to do to get there for 10
Bus Depart: 7:59 Scarfield Drive Service Number: 461
Provider: Rossendale Transport
Arrive: 8:30 Bury Interchange HAYMARKET ST
Walk Depart: 8:30* Bury Interchange HAYMARKET ST
Arrive: 8:31* BURY INTERCHANGE (Metrolink), BURY (TOWN CENTRE), Bury
Metro Depart: 8:42 BURY INTERCHANGE (Metrolink), BURY (TOWN CENTRE), Bury Provider: Metrolink
Arrive: 9:19 STRETFORD (Metrolink), STRETFORD (METROLINK), Trafford
Walk Depart: 9:19* STRETFORD (Metrolink), STRETFORD (METROLINK), Trafford
Arrive: 9:22* Edge Ln/Stretford Tram Stop (stop K)
Bus Depart: 9:31* Edge Ln/Stretford Tram Stop (stop K) Service Number: 23
Provider: Stagecoach Manchester
Arrive: 9:41* Barlow Moor Road/Barlow Hall Road
Walk Arrive: 9:42*Last edited by BoredBloke; 16 May 2007, 12:29.
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Originally posted by gingerjediI've used the trains in Germany a few times now and on one occurrence the train from Munich central to the airport didn't arrive at the exact time when the counter reached zero, it arrived about 40 seconds late and everyone on the platform was looking at their watches tutting... 40 seconds late in this country and the operator would get an award for punctuality!
People mock Germans but I can't think of anything that’s not better than the UK???
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Originally posted by Euro-commuterIn the UK, government feels that it is mandated by the people to spend less money. You get what you pay for.
Or I can spend the same amount on a bus or tram in Nottingham and be confronted by a clean environment, polite driver, lower ratio of scumbags etc.
The difference? The local government in Nottingham took back partial control of the public transport in order to keep the people happy, whereas Leeds (and most other UK cities) left things in the control of First/Arriva/etc who's only objective is to keep the shareholders happy.
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Originally posted by darmstadtMy bus service starts at around 5 in the morning and runs every 15 minutes to around 9 in the evening and then every 30 minutes until 2 in the morning. Weekends even more and I can easily get other buses and trams in town until some ridiculous times. During events they'll quite easily be running 24 hours per day.
People mock Germans but I can't think of anything that’s not better than the UK???
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Originally posted by darmstadtMy bus service starts at around 5 in the morning and runs every 15 minutes to around 9 in the evening and then every 30 minutes until 2 in the morning. Weekends even more and I can easily get other buses and trams in town until some ridiculous times. During events they'll quite easily be running 24 hours per day.
In (for example) Germany or Holland, government feels that it is mandated by the people to run a good public transport service. In the UK, government feels that it is mandated by the people to spend less money. You get what you pay for.
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My bus service starts at around 5 in the morning and runs every 15 minutes to around 9 in the evening and then every 30 minutes until 2 in the morning. Weekends even more and I can easily get other buses and trams in town until some ridiculous times. During events they'll quite easily be running 24 hours per day.
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I use public transport all the time (£100 per month max in London). And the money I save by not running a car gets whacked into equities.
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Originally posted by dang65There's a bit of a vicious circle with public transport these days. People have become so incredibly stuck up that they refuse to get on "skanky buses" with "grubby ferals" (i.e. the same type of buses and passengers as have been around for the last 100 years with no particular complaints). At the same time they have so much spare cash that they can tax, maintain and run a car without blinking an eyelid at the extravagant luxury of doing so. Because of this, demand for public transport has plummetted. Who would bother laying on a bus service after the 9am rush hour for a couple of pensioners and the village idiot? And because there's a poor service because there's no passengers, people can whine, "But I neeeeeed my car. There's no buses round here. I'd use the bus if there was one." *coughbullsh*t*
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Mrs Wendigo started using the bus this year to get to work. We get one an hour around here because luckily we're en route between two towns.
On the one hand it takes her an hour to travel what used to be a thirty minute car journey.
On the other, she can read her book on the bus, and the bus driver does all the swearing at other motorists.
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Before I gave up on public transport completely (for a number of reasons) I used to like busses. Far prefer them to the tube for getting around London even if they are slower. I loved the route 8 busses. They took me everywhere I wanted to go and they were the last to drop the wonderful Routemasters.
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There's a bit of a vicious circle with public transport these days. People have become so incredibly stuck up that they refuse to get on "skanky buses" with "grubby ferals" (i.e. the same type of buses and passengers as have been around for the last 100 years with no particular complaints). At the same time they have so much spare cash that they can tax, maintain and run a car without blinking an eyelid at the extravagant luxury of doing so. Because of this, demand for public transport has plummetted. Who would bother laying on a bus service after the 9am rush hour for a couple of pensioners and the village idiot? And because there's a poor service because there's no passengers, people can whine, "But I neeeeeed my car. There's no buses round here. I'd use the bus if there was one." *coughbullsh*t*
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Round where my parents live the over 60's get free bus passes so I would imagine the buses are full of pensioners.
My old man turned 60 the other week. He is looking forward to getting his bus pass and catching a bus for the first time.
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