Reply to: Generic Fixed Price Contract

[shaeney]

OK, so we are saying that regardless of what anyone says, and the wording of the contract with respect to being able to work on multiple contracts concurrently, this in no way impacts on IR35 compliance? which is to say that Gordo and his minions will still consider you as an employee if the practices you follow are the same as those who are in full time employment?

[chicane]

p.s. we are well off topic

In the grand tradition of the CUK forums.

[shaeney]

aha! thanks!

Is it true that all Welsh football / rugby fans get on swimmingly, in the finest of sporting tradition.... or is it a case still of trashed M4 service stations on derby-days

you can still drink in your seat at rugby, not the same in football.

p.s. we are well off topic

[Burdock]

aha! thanks!

Is it true that all Welsh football / rugby fans get on swimmingly, in the finest of sporting tradition.... or is it a case still of trashed M4 service stations on derby-days

[shaeney]

excuse my ignorance, but is a 'Turk' slang for a person from another part of Wales / another Welsh football team?

Or do you not like Turks!??!

It's really simple:
Cardiff=Bluebird(scum)
Neath=All-Black (and the forementioned "neaf,neaf,neaf" chant)
Swansea=Jack(after the world famous Swansea Jack dog, who saved millions of swimmers lives)
Llanelli=Turk

Mixing rugby and football slang, but there you go.

[Burdock]

Scarlets supporter.

HTH.

hmm!! will check my Welsh football teams, then get back to you!!

Connah's Quay?!?

[EDIT]....oh Rugger

[threaded]

That's right, you wouldn't be. Concurrent fixed term work would not be classed on each individual contract separately. That is only for 9-6 bum on seaters, who claim they are working concurrent contracts when in fact they are working part time on two or more regular contracts that may be constantly renewed and have no obvious end date in mind for an hourly or daily rate, giving them a regular income stream with no risks attached. Otherwise it's for office based contractors who would still claim they are outside ir35 just because they squeeze in a bit of irrelevant side-line work at the weekends or weekends which doesn't make any difference at all to the amount of billing to their regular client for the full 8 hours or day.

If that were not the case, then no freelancer would be able to claim they are freelance, whether they worked from home or not.

Denny, the above is gibberish, please rewrite, but in normal English, not in civil service speak, if possible.

Ta in advance.

[Burdock]

Indeed.

Or a Turk.

excuse my ignorance, but is a 'Turk' slang for a person from another part of Wales / another Welsh football team?

Or do you not like Turks!??!

[shaeney]

Indeed.

Or a Turk.

Don't even go there! The Mrs is an all-black/Turk hybrid and she is focing me to live in Llangennech. As a Jack, you can understand how much pain that causes me. I mean, what am I supposed to tell the children about their heritage?

[shaeney]

Well, until recently, yes, on a very good rate, thank you very much.

Next contract is in Bristol though.

Talking with a few other contractors who also thought that multiple concurrent contracts was a possible pointer away from IR35. Why cant Gordo and co just make things simpler?

Treating us like employees, but without the associated benefits, sucks.

P.S. better a Jack than a bluebird...

[timh]

I'm contracting here at the moment - though that's an anomaly, and it's for 100/day less than my London rate.. I think there might well be more work here in future though, the SA1 development seems to be improving things a bit.

I'm usually away for about 6 months of the year, working from home for 3, and enjoying myself for the remaining 3.

[chicane]

Affordable housing!

In local earnings terms, I put it in line with Mayfair, Richmond upon Thames and maybe some parts of Surrey if you're lucky. Do you actually contract in Swansea?

[timh]

I thought that many different contracts (concurrent or not) would be a pointer away from IR35 too.

(And I'm in Swansea as well. Affordable housing!)

[threaded]

My understanding is that IR35 has little to do with "multiple concurrent contracts". Each contract is judged individually on IR35 compliance.

Therefore, if your daytime contract failed IR35, you'd be required to pay the additional costs on that, and if your pub contract failed IR35, you'd be required to pay additional costs on that.

My understanding too. There is a simple rule: if you can think up a most brain damaged conclusion to a set of rules that will be the solution the IR chooses, until forced to do otherwise, and that might not happen either.

[chicane]

If that's true I'd be glad to have a mutual support contract with some other IT contractor - They can ask my advice and v.v. for a small fee.

Exactly, people aren't stupid and would soon start fabricating the illusion of concurrent contracts just to escape IR35.