Do Doctors ever stop winging...

[Troll]

I'm not saying we shouldn't have healthcare for the poor,

I am ... let nature take its course and reduce their numbers

[perlnecklace]

The NHS is a total disaster.

But the last few years the badness seems to have accelerated.

The problem here as far as I understand it is the trusts have "run out of budget" to pay for junior doctors, and various other things. My auntie is a midwife and they keep firing midwives because of "budget cutbacks", and then they just tell the rest to work harder.

So there is money to pay £10bn+ for a computer system which is never going to work, but no money to pay for the doctors, which the NHS actually needs.

Priorities a bit upside down I think.

The government really needs to step out from running hospitals. By all means I'm not saying we shouldn't have healthcare for the poor, but the actual running of the hospitals should be left to the free market.

[GeorgeGregan]

A mate of mine spent the last few years studying physio, on an NHS subsidised course. When he entered the course there was a huge shortage of physios. Now less than 10% of the people he graduated with have found work because there are now no places for new graduates. People with 2-3 years experience are still in shortage and are brought in from overseas.

[Troll]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6576079.stm

Just because you train as one doesnt mean the NHS is obliged to give you a job. Like the rest of us have to .... train as something the COMPETE to get the jobs.

Just becuase you're not guaranteed £100k p.a. dont come winging to me about it.

It costs the taxpayer £250,000 to train each doctor, the latest proposal this year is to ship up to 10,000 young doctors who are unable to find jobs in the NHS overseas to do voluntary work
10,000 x £250,000 =£2,500,000,000 of your money

[Sysman]

Until Britain rids itself of socialist medicine nothing will be better.

...

The NHS should have been killed by Maggie.

I was convinced at one point that Maggie was going to offer tax relief on private health insurance. There was a precedent for this in the area of private pensions (was it called "contracting out" from the state pension? I forget.).

It never happened, and with hindsight it might have altered the balance enough to avoid the mess we have now,

Now over to Dr. Rant:

http://www.drrant.net/2007/04/nhs-wh...o-be-done.html

[DodgyAgent]

Until Britain rids itself of socialist medicine nothing will be better.

It's called a free market boys and there is nothing stopping those poor suffering doctors from setting up in private practice. Or is there ?

The sooner someone kills the NHS the better.

In other countries you are free to go and see the doctor of your choosing, not just the ones allocated to you in your postcode. In other countries doctors have to perform, they don't just get paid according to the number of patients on their list. In other countries doctors survive like any other small business, by offering genuine service and having more people come and see them because they are better than others. (what a concept !!!) In other countries medicine has not been remystified as it seems to have been here.

The NHS should have been killed by Maggie.

Hear Hear

[Lucy]

Until Britain rids itself of socialist medicine nothing will be better.

It's called a free market boys and there is nothing stopping those poor suffering doctors from setting up in private practice. Or is there ?

The sooner someone kills the NHS the better.

In other countries you are free to go and see the doctor of your choosing, not just the ones allocated to you in your postcode. In other countries doctors have to perform, they don't just get paid according to the number of patients on their list. In other countries doctors survive like any other small business, by offering genuine service and having more people come and see them because they are better than others. (what a concept !!!) In other countries medicine has not been remystified as it seems to have been here.

The NHS should have been killed by Maggie.

[Board Game Geek]

I work with doctors day in day out, and to be honest, I feel sorry for them as a whole.

I mean, they are smarter than most folks, spend 7 years or more training, accumulate a fair few debts, and there is no job for them at the end of the line, nor on a decent salary either.

How disheartening is that ?

To make matters worse, there are moves to install Tesco / Asda in-store medical centres, staffed with cheap Indian doctors on 20-30K / year, paid by the PCT's, which means they can close the traditional doctors practices who cost 100K/year per doctor at the moment.

Look at it this way...there are approx 20 surgeries in the area where I work.
Assuming an average of 3 docs per surgery, that is (20 x 3) x £100,000 pa = £6 Million bill for the docs.

Tesco will offer services for £30,000 a doc...which is (20 x 3) x £30,000 = £1.8 Million for the docs.

Of course, the Tesco docs are not "old school docs" with years of experience, but rather fresh-faced medical graduates..but...they are "plenty cheapness" and tick all the PCT boxes.

Welcome to the Brave New World gentlemen and gentleladies.

[chubba]

Was a while ago that I downloaded this but my train of thought remains the same - just search for fat naked man in Google Images:
Google Search

Shows a pic here:
Big image

Three off the wrist this evening then?

[OwlHoot]

Doctors never stop winging it, that's how the feckers ended up killing two of my grandparents and my Dad before their time... Just like us I guess, fudge a few exams, scrape through an interview or two and bob's your Uncle.

Chubba, I saw your avatar in a student rag mag I bought from a nurse in a tube train today.

It was quite funny actually, a two-picture strip titled "Chat Rooms". In the first there's a innocent young girl typing "Hi. You sound real cute. How old are you and what do you like doing after school?", to which the fat guy replies in the second "I'm 14 and a bit of a fitness fanatic. I often go power lifting after school".

Do you have a larger version of the pic? I'm not a chubby-chaser, honest.

[chubba]

Doctors never stop winging it, that's how the feckers ended up killing two of my grandparents and my Dad before their time... Just like us I guess, fudge a few exams, scrape through an interview or two and bob's your Uncle.

[Sysman]

Winging? I winged a peasant once, but got it with the second barrel.

Threaded inherits a lot of peasants when he buys a farmhouse.

[threaded]

Winging?

Winging? I winged a peasant once, but got it with the second barrel.

[Sockpuppet]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6576079.stm

Just because you train as one doesnt mean the NHS is obliged to give you a job. Like the rest of us have to .... train as something the COMPETE to get the jobs.

Just becuase you're not guaranteed £100k p.a. dont come winging to me about it.