Reply to: What happened to the good IT jobs?

[Diestl]

He has a point Francko, perhaps you should aim your talents somewhere that your cultural identity might not seem so incongruous? How about applying for a supervisor's role at Starbucks?

Or a world cup winning footballer, making the best cars in the world, best fashion designers.

[Francko]

and have you ever worried, are you as an Italian fighting an uphill
battle trying to rise through the management ranks in the UK ?

Milan, I am not talking about manager positions and riding the company politics. All I was saying is that there seem to be an absurd number of contracts offered for people with BA skills (release, configuration, change managers) whose higher achievement in life was completing A-levels and perhaps reading the ITIL book for dummies before going to the interview. Now, considering that these contracts are in the range of 500-600 it just sound like is money thrown out of a window while people with SAP skills, for example, are being offered 3-400 pounds contract (which require a dozen of years of skills perhaps....).

[shaunbhoy]

and have you ever worried, are you as an Italian fighting an uphill
battle trying to rise through the management ranks in the UK ?

He has a point Francko, perhaps you should aim your talents somewhere that your cultural identity might not seem so incongruous? How about applying for a supervisor's role at Starbucks?

[Francko]

funny thing is, never ceases to amaze me how many brits are in
middle and senior management roles in IT for all kinds of companies
all round europe

says something doesn't it

Milan.

Milan.

They must do what they are good at.....

....talking.....

Seriously, where are they? Never seen many to be honest (outside UK).

[milanbenes]

quite it does go both ways


everyone's a winner


back to the point

an interesting observation has been made here Franko,

and have you ever worried, are you as an Italian fighting an uphill
battle trying to rise through the management ranks in the UK ?

funny thing is, never ceases to amaze me how many brits are in
middle and senior management roles in IT for all kinds of companies
all round europe

says something doesn't it

Milan.

Milan.

[Francko]

there's nothing funnier than watching Johnny Foreigner feck something up !

Milan.

That's what they must have thought about you.

[milanbenes]

there's nothing funnier than watching Johnny Foreigner feck something up !

Milan.

[shaunbhoy]

Perhaps I should do the other third and get a contract as a release manager too.

Francko,
you will need to be very lucky to get a position where you are required to "lead" something. Not many companies will too readily put an Italian in charge of anything worthwhile. Have you considered applying for a position designing reverse gears for armoured vehicles at all?

[Bagpuss]

What's your contribution? Else than wearing a tie? Where is your "business value"?

His added value is inserting the camp word "Clearly" into sentences. :-)

Clearly!

[Francko]

You clearly haven't a commercial bone in your body. Do you think organisations exist solely to provide you with jobs? They exist to make a profit. Cut out the bulltulip and contribute to the bottom line.
Or else become a teacher.

What's your contribution? Else than wearing a tie? Where is your "business value"?

[milanbenes]

sas, he's an Italian reject


Franko, as I have advised you in the past...

he who dares Rodders he who dares

Milan.

[sasguru]

I can add as much business knowledge as I want. Indeed I vomit business knowledge every day.

You clearly haven't a commercial bone in your body. Do you think organisations exist solely to provide you with jobs? They exist to make a profit. Cut out the bulltulip and contribute to the bottom line.
Or else become a teacher.

[milanbenes]

sorry Franko, that was a typo, I didn't mean ASP I mean't PAS !

Milan.

[Francko]

Franko you are complaining along these lines on an almost weekly basis

sort yourself out man and get into ASP !

Milan.

I know ASP .Net and C#. I am an MSCD. However, I now need to dump all the business knowledge that I have inside.... hold on....

[milanbenes]

Franko you are complaining along these lines on an almost weekly basis

sort yourself out man and get into ASP !

Milan.